Chris...at this rate, I say that in 7-8 years, we will have a definitive answer
about which one of us was right about VY...

The more I think about it, I like it. This team seems to be lacking some fire. I
think the negative effect of sideline confrontations is incredibly overrated.
Depending on the situation, yes it CAN be a bad thing, but it can also just be
two guys, extremely committed to winning, who are unhappy with something and
have a momentary blow up. It's not like either of the guys has any history of
this.

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "william" <wcoleman31@...> wrote:
>
> Saw some good pics of this happening. but it's a pain to post pics in here.
> Campo wasn't backing down, when Newman bowed up.
>
>
>
> From: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of viper_4445
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:28 PM
> To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Cowboys brush off sideline altercation
>
>
>
>
>
> I was traveling back from the Penn State game (at Michigan State) on Sunday,
> so I missed the game and hadn't heard about this at all, but apparently it
> was shown on the TV broadcast?
>
> By Calvin Watkins
> ESPNDallas.com
>
> IRVING, Texas -- Cowboys coach Wade Phillips got testy with reporters on
> Monday when asked about the sideline spat between cornerback Terence Newman
> and secondary coach Dave Campo.
>
> In the first quarter of Sunday's game with the Redskins, Newman and Campo
> engaged in a physical confrontation on the sidelines and had to be separated
> by several players. Phillips even pushed Campo back with his arm.
>
> After the Redskins punted, Newman walked to the sidelines where Campo
> grabbed him with his arms extended. Newman then pushed Campo away and the
> two bumped chests. Players pushed them away and Campo was yelling at Newman
> so intently his headset fell off.
>
> Later, Campo was showing Newman some pictures on the sidelines and it
> appeared things were normal.
>
> "It happens a lot, sure," Phillips said. "And you're looking at it from one
> side where you don't know what's going on."
>
> Campo told a small group of reporters after Sunday's game he was trying to
> stop Newman to speak with him about a play. When Phillips was told of this,
> he said, "Just go with your story then."
>
> When asked if he was disappointed that the incident was shown on national
> television numerous times, including two YouTube clips, Phillips said, "I
> don't need to go into detail of who said what, what happened to who, all
> those things, he said she said. There wasn't anything big that happened that
> made a different. We worked out what we had to work out on the sideline, and
> that's what we normally do. And that's what happens with a lot of teams a
> lot of times."
>
> Newman declined to speak with reporters after the game on Sunday, and wasn't
> available in the locker room on Monday for the 45 minute open locker room
> period.
>
> Several Cowboys players didn't know what the problem between Newman and
> Campo was.
>
> Just before that first quarter drive ended, Newman let Redskins wide
> receiver Devin Thomas get behind him on a route when quarterback Jason
> Campbell was scrambling. Campbell completed a 26-yard pass. The Cowboys'
> corners are taught to never lose sight of their wide receivers when a
> quarterback is scrambling.
>
> Campo was upset about the play and it appeared he wanted to speak with
> Newman about it.
>
> "It's football man," defensive end Marcus Spears said. "When we get into
> these meetings today we'll be laughing and joking with each other. I don't
> know if you guys have arguments at your respectful workplaces, if you do,
> just understand that it's just business if you know the guy. Camps knows New
> and New knows Camps and whenever those types of things happen, we'll let
> [the media] blow it out of proportion and know that we're fine once it's all
> over with."
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

In 1960 when Lamar Hunt and 7 other entrepreneurs were creating the
AFL, one of the franchises was awarded to the Oakland Raiders. They
almost didn't exist. One of the original eight AFL franchises was
supposed to be the Minnesota Vikings. Minnesota backed out of the AFL
when they instead accepted an offer to join the more established NFL as
the 14th franchise.

Oakland wasn't even on the AFL radar. There was no ownership group in
place. Paris Hilton's grandpa, Barron Hilton, was the owner of the Los
Angeles Chargers. He threatened to back out if the AFL didn't put
another team on the West Coast. So you see, she comes by her drama
queen genes naturally. Thus the 8th AFL franchise was awarded to the
City of Oakland, California.

Oakland then sought some investors to get the team rolling. The
managing General Partner was Real Estate magnate Charles Soda. He had
an affinity for calling people "Señor." Thus the original name for the
team was to be the Oakland Señors. Are there jokes rattling around in
your head? You aren't alone. Nine days of jokes resulted in a change to
Raiders.

Charles Soda only lasted one year. Wayne Valley took over as Managing
General Partner in 1961. In 1963 the Raiders hired Al Davis to be their
Head Coach and General Manager. In 1966 he left those posts to be the
AFL Commissioner.

In 1967 Al returned to the Raiders as part of the ownership group. He
owned a 10% share and was one of three principle owners. The other two
partners made him Head of Football Operations. In 1972 Al Davis forced
Wayne Valley out of the role as Managing General Partner of the
ownership group by getting fellow minority owner Ed McGah to sign a
revised partnership agreement that gave him total control. He has had a
stranglehold on that position since then. Wayne Valley bowed out of
ownership in 1976. Al Davis never possessed a majority ownership in the
Raiders until 2005.

When the NFL and AFL were in secret meetings to discuss a merger, Al
Davis was the only AFL owner left in the dark about the meetings.
During his brief term as AFL Commissioner he had waged an all out war
with the NFL to acquire the best talents for the AFL. His animosity and
competitiveness were legendary. Davis was against the merger. He felt
the AFL could beat out the more popular and more established NFL.

With total control of the football operations at his disposal Al Davis
has been a shrewd operator. He has been compared to Darth Vader and
looks like the Crypt Keeper, but in football circles he has always been
respected as a force.

When the Chargers vacated Los Angeles for San Diego Al Davis began to
covet that TV Market. In 1980 he sought to move the Raiders to LA and
was blocked by an injunction. He filed a lawsuit against the NFL and
won. In 1982 the Raiders moved to Los Angeles.

Al Davis is the only NFL owner who sided with the upstart USFL in their
antitrust lawsuit against the NFL. No surprise given his open animosity
towards the NFL. Davis sued the NFL once again in 1995. He felt they
submarined his efforts to secure a state of the art stadium while the
Raiders were in Los Angeles. As he began that lawsuit he also moved the
Raiders back to Oakland.

The Raiders won the AFL Championship in 1967 and the right to play the
NFL Champion Green Bay Packers in the second ever Super Bowl. The
Raiders returned to the Super Bowl and won it on three different
occasions. They were Super Bowl Champions for Super Bowl XI, Super Bowl
XV, and Super Bowl XVIII. They made one other trip to the Super Bowl in
a losing effort, losing to the Buccaneers and former Raiders Head Coach
Jon Gruden in Super Bowl XXXVII.

The Cowboys and Raiders have a brief head to head History. They
couldn't face each other until after the 1970 AFL - NFL Merger. The
Raiders lead the all time series 6-3. The Cowboys have never defeated
the Raiders in Dallas. They are one of only 2 teams the Cowboys have
never defeated at home. The other is the Baltimore Ravens whom the
Cowboys have never beaten at all.

The Cowboys are 26-14-1 all time on Thanksgiving. They are 2-0 in the Wade
Phillips era. 8-3 anyone?




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personally i think it's a good opportunity to see what doug free is capable
of....they spent a decent draft pick on him and it's difficult to gauge the
progress of OL players because they rarely if ever see any real playing time.  I
would prefer to have colombo out there, but i think they can manage

if there's any player on the OL i'm concerned about it's Flo, he just looks like
he's having a difficult time out there and would really be better suited at G at
this stage in his career.  Speaking of Flo, am i the only one who finds it
amusing that EVERY week they say "he really struggles against the speed
rushers", isn't that basically every DE?  or maybe it's just that Flo has become
so slow at getting out of his stance that he makes them all look like speed
rushers

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "daboyz32835" <matacale@...> wrote:
>
> That's always difficult to quantify, easy for a position such as a star
quarterback or running back, but OL isn't easy, especially since Columbo was
solid but not all-pro.  Adjustments are always done whenever a starter goes
down.  Keeping a RB or TE in more than normal to help out would change things.
>
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > all valid points however .... it's easy to overlook the intangible
consequences of colombo being out. last season the stars were headed for a
playoff spot until brad richards had a season ending injury, and the stars
immediately tanked and missed the playoffs. i know the loss of one player isn't
supposed to completely upend things for a team, but i wonder if the chemistry of
the offensive line has somehow been corrupted by colombo's absence ....
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were
actually that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on
the field somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get
me wrong, i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think
he's a very good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy
than anything else
> > >
> > > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> > >
> > > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the
game away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since
he was injured?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

i would hate to think that any NFL player is out there scared, but i also can't
argue the point after watching Roy run down the sideline a few weeks ago after a
romo interception while looking as though he had no interest in trying to make
the tackle (which he could have potentially saved 10-15 yards on the return if
he had tried).



--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "ravioli187" <ghetto108@...> wrote:
>
> Posted by jellis at 11/23/2009 2:01 PM CST on truebluefanclub.com
> Washington safety LaRon Landry, for one, has a theory why Roy Williams had
zero catches yesterday for only the third time in his career.
>
> As Landry told the Redskins.com blog (via PFT), it's because the wide receiver
is hearing footsteps:
>
> "Scared," Landry said flatly. "Yeah. I know he was. Y'all can quote it, too.
Y'all can tell him right now, tell him I'm sayin' it. I can say it right now:
yeah, he was scared, I think. I told him he was scared."
>
> And what did Williams say when Landry called him scared? "Nothing," Landry
said.
>
> (A reporter pointed out that Williams would be here in a few weeks, and Landry
chuckled. "I don't care," he said. "What's that gonna do?")
>
> "Certain pass concepts they had," Landry continued, by way of explaining how
he knew Williams was scared. "Certain routes he ran, you could tell he didn't
want any part of it."
>

my point really isn't so much weather or not colombo's absence will indirectly
effect the offense over the long term...my point is that it's had nothing to do
with the past two games.  If the majority of romo's passes are about 2 feet
lower we would be talking about how dangerous and explosive this offense is
(without colombo).  Instead people are hung up on "roy isn't as good as
advertised", "garrett doesn't run enough", "austin is no where to be found" (oh
wait no one is saying that, although they should be), ect. ect.  Doug Free isn't
Colombo by any stretch but i'm more worried about romo's accuracy than i am
about Colombo's absence because even with Colombo out there romo's passes
wouldn't be any more accurate

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> all valid points however .... it's easy to overlook the intangible
consequences of colombo being out. last season the stars were headed for a
playoff spot until brad richards had a season ending injury, and the stars
immediately tanked and missed the playoffs. i know the loss of one player isn't
supposed to completely upend things for a team, but i wonder if the chemistry of
the offensive line has somehow been corrupted by colombo's absence ....
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
> >
> > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> >
> > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since
he was injured?
> > >
> >
>

That's always difficult to quantify, easy for a position such as a star
quarterback or running back, but OL isn't easy, especially since Columbo was
solid but not all-pro.  Adjustments are always done whenever a starter goes
down.  Keeping a RB or TE in more than normal to help out would change things.


--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> all valid points however .... it's easy to overlook the intangible
consequences of colombo being out. last season the stars were headed for a
playoff spot until brad richards had a season ending injury, and the stars
immediately tanked and missed the playoffs. i know the loss of one player isn't
supposed to completely upend things for a team, but i wonder if the chemistry of
the offensive line has somehow been corrupted by colombo's absence ....
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
> >
> > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> >
> > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since
he was injured?
> > >
> >
>

Posted by jellis at 11/23/2009 2:01 PM CST on truebluefanclub.com
Washington safety LaRon Landry, for one, has a theory why Roy Williams had zero
catches yesterday for only the third time in his career.

As Landry told the Redskins.com blog (via PFT), it's because the wide receiver
is hearing footsteps:

"Scared," Landry said flatly. "Yeah. I know he was. Y'all can quote it, too.
Y'all can tell him right now, tell him I'm sayin' it. I can say it right now:
yeah, he was scared, I think. I told him he was scared."

And what did Williams say when Landry called him scared? "Nothing," Landry said.

(A reporter pointed out that Williams would be here in a few weeks, and Landry
chuckled. "I don't care," he said. "What's that gonna do?")

"Certain pass concepts they had," Landry continued, by way of explaining how he
knew Williams was scared. "Certain routes he ran, you could tell he didn't want
any part of it."

all valid points however .... it's easy to overlook the intangible consequences
of colombo being out. last season the stars were headed for a playoff spot until
brad richards had a season ending injury, and the stars immediately tanked and
missed the playoffs. i know the loss of one player isn't supposed to completely
upend things for a team, but i wonder if the chemistry of the offensive line has
somehow been corrupted by colombo's absence ....

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
>
> well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
>
> also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since he
was injured?
> >
>

Saw some good pics of this happening. but it's a pain to post pics in here.
Campo wasn't backing down, when Newman bowed up.



From: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of viper_4445
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:28 PM
To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Cowboys brush off sideline altercation





I was traveling back from the Penn State game (at Michigan State) on Sunday,
so I missed the game and hadn't heard about this at all, but apparently it
was shown on the TV broadcast?

By Calvin Watkins
ESPNDallas.com

IRVING, Texas -- Cowboys coach Wade Phillips got testy with reporters on
Monday when asked about the sideline spat between cornerback Terence Newman
and secondary coach Dave Campo.

In the first quarter of Sunday's game with the Redskins, Newman and Campo
engaged in a physical confrontation on the sidelines and had to be separated
by several players. Phillips even pushed Campo back with his arm.

After the Redskins punted, Newman walked to the sidelines where Campo
grabbed him with his arms extended. Newman then pushed Campo away and the
two bumped chests. Players pushed them away and Campo was yelling at Newman
so intently his headset fell off.

Later, Campo was showing Newman some pictures on the sidelines and it
appeared things were normal.

"It happens a lot, sure," Phillips said. "And you're looking at it from one
side where you don't know what's going on."

Campo told a small group of reporters after Sunday's game he was trying to
stop Newman to speak with him about a play. When Phillips was told of this,
he said, "Just go with your story then."

When asked if he was disappointed that the incident was shown on national
television numerous times, including two YouTube clips, Phillips said, "I
don't need to go into detail of who said what, what happened to who, all
those things, he said she said. There wasn't anything big that happened that
made a different. We worked out what we had to work out on the sideline, and
that's what we normally do. And that's what happens with a lot of teams a
lot of times."

Newman declined to speak with reporters after the game on Sunday, and wasn't
available in the locker room on Monday for the 45 minute open locker room
period.

Several Cowboys players didn't know what the problem between Newman and
Campo was.

Just before that first quarter drive ended, Newman let Redskins wide
receiver Devin Thomas get behind him on a route when quarterback Jason
Campbell was scrambling. Campbell completed a 26-yard pass. The Cowboys'
corners are taught to never lose sight of their wide receivers when a
quarterback is scrambling.

Campo was upset about the play and it appeared he wanted to speak with
Newman about it.

"It's football man," defensive end Marcus Spears said. "When we get into
these meetings today we'll be laughing and joking with each other. I don't
know if you guys have arguments at your respectful workplaces, if you do,
just understand that it's just business if you know the guy. Camps knows New
and New knows Camps and whenever those types of things happen, we'll let
[the media] blow it out of proportion and know that we're fine once it's all
over with."





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I was traveling back from the Penn State game (at Michigan State) on Sunday, so
I missed the game and hadn't heard about this at all, but apparently it was
shown on the TV broadcast?

By Calvin Watkins
ESPNDallas.com

IRVING, Texas -- Cowboys coach Wade Phillips got testy with reporters on Monday
when asked about the sideline spat between cornerback Terence Newman and
secondary coach Dave Campo.

In the first quarter of Sunday's game with the Redskins, Newman and Campo
engaged in a physical confrontation on the sidelines and had to be separated by
several players. Phillips even pushed Campo back with his arm.

After the Redskins punted, Newman walked to the sidelines where Campo grabbed
him with his arms extended. Newman then pushed Campo away and the two bumped
chests. Players pushed them away and Campo was yelling at Newman so intently his
headset fell off.

Later, Campo was showing Newman some pictures on the sidelines and it appeared
things were normal.

"It happens a lot, sure," Phillips said. "And you're looking at it from one side
where you don't know what's going on."

Campo told a small group of reporters after Sunday's game he was trying to stop
Newman to speak with him about a play. When Phillips was told of this, he said,
"Just go with your story then."

When asked if he was disappointed that the incident was shown on national
television numerous times, including two YouTube clips, Phillips said, "I don't
need to go into detail of who said what, what happened to who, all those things,
he said she said. There wasn't anything big that happened that made a different.
We worked out what we had to work out on the sideline, and that's what we
normally do. And that's what happens with a lot of teams a lot of times."

Newman declined to speak with reporters after the game on Sunday, and wasn't
available in the locker room on Monday for the 45 minute open locker room
period.

Several Cowboys players didn't know what the problem between Newman and Campo
was.

Just before that first quarter drive ended, Newman let Redskins wide receiver
Devin Thomas get behind him on a route when quarterback Jason Campbell was
scrambling. Campbell completed a 26-yard pass. The Cowboys' corners are taught
to never lose sight of their wide receivers when a quarterback is scrambling.

Campo was upset about the play and it appeared he wanted to speak with Newman
about it.

"It's football man," defensive end Marcus Spears said. "When we get into these
meetings today we'll be laughing and joking with each other. I don't know if you
guys have arguments at your respectful workplaces, if you do, just understand
that it's just business if you know the guy. Camps knows New and New knows Camps
and whenever those types of things happen, we'll let [the media] blow it out of
proportion and know that we're fine once it's all over with."

i wasn't really paying attention on that play but i do remember them commenting
on the team trying to get a timeout

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I'm referring to the play where he was bent over when the ball was snapped by
the redskins
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > not to say that it didn't have an impact on his passes...but A LOT of his
passes this season have been high, then suddenly he'll have drives (like the
final one today to win the game) where every pass he makes is right where it
needs to be
> >
> > i'm not real sure what you're referring to with jenkins, a biceps injury has
to be hard to deal with but he at times him and scandrick come across as "soft"
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > wade said after the game that romo had a hip pointer, maybe that was
affecting his accuracy .... and what was the deal with jenkins was he confused
about whether or not he was injured?
> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were
actually that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on
the field somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get
me wrong, i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think
he's a very good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy
than anything else
> > > >
> > > > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> > > >
> > > > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the
game away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> > > >
> > > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever
since he was injured?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I'm referring to the play where he was bent over when the ball was snapped by
the redskins

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> not to say that it didn't have an impact on his passes...but A LOT of his
passes this season have been high, then suddenly he'll have drives (like the
final one today to win the game) where every pass he makes is right where it
needs to be
>
> i'm not real sure what you're referring to with jenkins, a biceps injury has
to be hard to deal with but he at times him and scandrick come across as "soft"
>
>
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > wade said after the game that romo had a hip pointer, maybe that was
affecting his accuracy .... and what was the deal with jenkins was he confused
about whether or not he was injured?
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were
actually that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on
the field somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get
me wrong, i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think
he's a very good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy
than anything else
> > >
> > > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> > >
> > > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the
game away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since
he was injured?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

not to say that it didn't have an impact on his passes...but A LOT of his passes
this season have been high, then suddenly he'll have drives (like the final one
today to win the game) where every pass he makes is right where it needs to be

i'm not real sure what you're referring to with jenkins, a biceps injury has to
be hard to deal with but he at times him and scandrick come across as "soft"



--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> wade said after the game that romo had a hip pointer, maybe that was affecting
his accuracy .... and what was the deal with jenkins was he confused about
whether or not he was injured?
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
> >
> > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> >
> > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since
he was injured?
> > >
> >
>

The game vs. the colts last week, this is being blown out of proportion. The
REAL reason the patriots lost the game was because they blew an early 4th
quarter 31-14 lead, not because of last minute bad decisions by belichek at the
end of the game .... but by then the momentum and the game was kind of out of
the patriots control .... I saw one list on the internet where they said
belichecks blown call was #2 on the list of all time blown calls in the history
of the league LMAO!

i don't see them intentionally trying to get roy involved, 3 or 4 passes his way
is far from forcing the ball to the guy...now granted he didn't do anything
today to impress but he wasn't the only WR out there struggling.  You can't
expect a guy to catch passes completely off their mark everytime....sure i
would've liked to have seen him pull a few of those in, but romo needs to do a
better job at putting the ball where it needs to be rather than just "roughly in
the area" (and i'm not saying this just about passes to roy, but to all of the
WR's).

as far as the redskins always being a tough opponent...the cowboys made it a
tough game, i just didn't see anything overly impressive from the
redskins....but i could also say the same for the cowboys offense, they were
definitely a bit hard to watch at times (the defense played great)

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "daboyz32835" <matacale@...> wrote:
>
> It was an ugly win, but still a win, the Redskins are always a tough opponent
regardless of each other's record.  I couldn't watch the game other than trying
one of the live streaming sites, it worked on occasion but things were tough to
watch, so it's difficult for me to comment on the game other than this offense
needs some consistency.
>
> I did see a couple passes to Roy Williams that went incomplete.  Think we're
trying too hard to get him involved?  The more I watch him, the more I feel he
was over rated.
>
> But I'll take the win anyway we can get it.
>
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
> >
> > well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
> >
> > also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since
he was injured?
> > >
> >
>

wade said after the game that romo had a hip pointer, maybe that was affecting
his accuracy .... and what was the deal with jenkins was he confused about
whether or not he was injured?

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
>
> well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
>
> also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since he
was injured?
> >
>

It was an ugly win, but still a win, the Redskins are always a tough opponent
regardless of each other's record.  I couldn't watch the game other than trying
one of the live streaming sites, it worked on occasion but things were tough to
watch, so it's difficult for me to comment on the game other than this offense
needs some consistency.

I did see a couple passes to Roy Williams that went incomplete.  Think we're
trying too hard to get him involved?  The more I watch him, the more I feel he
was over rated.

But I'll take the win anyway we can get it.


--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else
>
> well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the
running game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced
>
> also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since he
was injured?
> >
>

you would notice more sacks and short yardage runs if his lose were actually
that significant of an issue...well unless of course his presence on the field
somehow enables romo to throw the ball more accurately.  now don't get me wrong,
i'm not discounting how important he is to this team becuse i think he's a very
good player...i just think it has more to do with romo's accuracy than anything
else

well that and garrett's inability to call a balanced game.  i loved the running
game today but you could clearly tell garrett was trying to appease the
fans/media/owner (take your pick) due to everyone complaining about him focusing
to much on the pass last week, which in turn never allowed romo to find a groove
until that final drive.  now granted i think this game was more of this team
getting in their own way as oppossed to the redskins actually doing anything all
that impressive, but never the less, i would like to see garrett become a bit
more balanced

also is this coaching staff stuck on stupid?  they very nearly gave the game
away by going for it on 4th and 2.  i get that they believed in the offense
(much like belicheck), but you don't risk giving up great field position at that
stage in the game where the redskins could've easily gone up 2 scores.  Had this
been a shoot out i would've loved the call, but with the way this defense was
playing you punt the football and expect that they'll come up with another stop
like they had all game (and for the record this isn't me second guessing the
coaching staff, i knew it was an incredibly risky call when i seen the offense
staying out on the field)

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, mark7klbn <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since he
was injured?
>

has anyone else noticed that our offense seems to have tanked ever since he was
injured?

Another link... http://www.p2p4u.net/

Here's a link for the game today:

http://atdhe.net/

hot girls in spandex is far more appealing than sweaty muscle bound men...

all kidding aside though that definitely would be a memorable experience


--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@...> wrote:
>
> It's also nice to travel around with a dynasty that's won the last 2 national
titles, and hasn't lost since September of 2007.
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > broadcasting womens volleyball, now that's a great job right there....i
hated the sport but loved to see them play
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yea, I've done volleyball on BTN, but no basketball. I actually put the
roster together for it, but I've honestly never done a basketball broadcast in
my life (just not my thing), so it would've just been kinda wrong to put myself
on one of those games that's going to be on BTN when there's a lot of better
people than me.
> > >
> > > But I know the guys who did it. Actually, those are my two broadcast
partners for the football games this year.
> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, brian leathernan
<bdleatherman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yea it was basketball. my bad
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, viper_4445 <viper4445@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: viper_4445 <viper4445@>
> > > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Hey Dan
> > > > To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:28 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nah, wasn't me...I'm assuming you're talking about basketball, right?
> > > >
> > > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "Brian" <bdleatherman@
...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you call the st and penn game the other day. I was watching the
bigten channel and it was student U replay, and it sounded a little like you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any way if it is sounds great!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

i was strictly basing it off of their comments more so than their stats with
regards to how Garrett has utilized their skills.  It's like Barber being used
as a #1 back in the two back system, sure his stats are still very solid but in
my opinion his best years were when he was used more in the #2 role.  Now
granted i don't think Felix or Choice are better suited for the #1 role but
barber was going to be thrown into that role regardless of who else we drafted
or signed

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@...> wrote:
>
> That is true, but TO was also a LOT more productive (which I think you kind of
eluded to), so I tend to take that with a grain of salt as well. I don't study
tape, or scout players or anything (obviously), but it seemed like TO's talents
were being utilized pretty well for most of his time in Dallas.
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > it should also be noted that both TO and Williams have commented on how they
felt they weren't being properly utilized and they felt their talents better
suited them running different routes than the ones that were being called during
the games...now i take that with a grain of salt because TO is, well TO and Roy
has yet to prove himself...but i do find it a bit ironic that two high profile
WR's both have had issues with how they were/are used in this offense...so it
doesn't seem to be just the running game, although his tendency to abandon the
running game his by far his worst habit.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, 14 total rushes, but three were by Romo (who, by the way, was the
second leading rusher with 3 carries for 16 yards).
> > >
> > > It seemed like earlier in the year, Garrett finally had it figured out and
got the balance down, but apparently not. They're just wasting the talent on
this team while the window is closing...
> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, brian leathernan
<bdleatherman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good post bro,
> > > >  
> > > > In two of the three games we have lost we have did the same thing. Look
back at last year, we did it countless times.  I am sitting at home and yes the
red baron is there up close but I promise I got a better view from a see
everything point of view. I can't understand why he stopped. I think I read
where we had 11 carries, 11 OR U FREAKN KIDDING ME!!!!  . I have said this for
two years now. I hope there is noway in hell garrett becomes are next coach. I
would rather have the ST coach who gets his players ready to go  and will give
everything they got for him. So im for Joe D. as our next coach.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Andre Coe <andrecoe@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Andre Coe <andrecoe@>
> > > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Abandoned Running Game
> > > > To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:05 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can someone please explain to me why Jason Garrett abandoned the running
game so early? I actually heard a radio announcer complain about Marion Barber's
"lack of explosiveness" after a 13-yard gain. "He just doesn't seem to have that
same explosiveness" he used to have, the announcer said.
> > > >  
> > > > Dude, Barber was playing well. In fact, Romo and the Boys could have
easily handed the ball off at the goalline and gotten a much-needed touchdown in
that game. Instead, they rolled right, barely made the cornerback move and threw
a pick.
> > > >  
> > > > I can't think of any good reason why they stopped running the ball. You
can't say because they were getting pressure because that's when you need to
run. It just doesn't make sense to constantly try to throw it.
> > > >  
> > > > DreDog
> > > >
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well i think that he should not play football because he cant control his own
decisions.




________________________________
From: Coop <coop1974a@...>
To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:16:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Vick

 
From what I've seen this year he only gets in for 2 or 3 plays a game.if that
and the plays that he runs on are designed runs. Most of his yards normally came
from when the pass play broke down.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, ccw_1982 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:

From: ccw_1982 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Vick
To: dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:21 PM

 

i don't doubt that from a psychological stand point...but as talented as vick
was as a runner i thought he would at the least be semi effective in a reduced
role. I think it goes to show how much training these guys go through year in
and year out to prepare themselves to play on a professional level.

--- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@. ..>
wrote:
>
> I think prison affects people more than we even realize. Remember Jamal Lewis
when he came back? Not even close to the same guy.
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > i'm just curious how he went from being one of the most athletically gifted
players in the league to looking like a bum in all of a few years...i mean i
didn't expect him to be the old Vick, but i figured he would look at least
somewhat dangerous
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you think he'll go back to prison anytime soon for stealing money from
the Eagles?
> > >
> >
>

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That is true, but TO was also a LOT more productive (which I think you kind of
eluded to), so I tend to take that with a grain of salt as well. I don't study
tape, or scout players or anything (obviously), but it seemed like TO's talents
were being utilized pretty well for most of his time in Dallas.

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> it should also be noted that both TO and Williams have commented on how they
felt they weren't being properly utilized and they felt their talents better
suited them running different routes than the ones that were being called during
the games...now i take that with a grain of salt because TO is, well TO and Roy
has yet to prove himself...but i do find it a bit ironic that two high profile
WR's both have had issues with how they were/are used in this offense...so it
doesn't seem to be just the running game, although his tendency to abandon the
running game his by far his worst habit.
>
>
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, 14 total rushes, but three were by Romo (who, by the way, was the
second leading rusher with 3 carries for 16 yards).
> >
> > It seemed like earlier in the year, Garrett finally had it figured out and
got the balance down, but apparently not. They're just wasting the talent on
this team while the window is closing...
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, brian leathernan <bdleatherman@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Good post bro,
> > >  
> > > In two of the three games we have lost we have did the same thing. Look
back at last year, we did it countless times.  I am sitting at home and yes the
red baron is there up close but I promise I got a better view from a see
everything point of view. I can't understand why he stopped. I think I read
where we had 11 carries, 11 OR U FREAKN KIDDING ME!!!!  . I have said this for
two years now. I hope there is noway in hell garrett becomes are next coach. I
would rather have the ST coach who gets his players ready to go  and will give
everything they got for him. So im for Joe D. as our next coach.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Andre Coe <andrecoe@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Andre Coe <andrecoe@>
> > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Abandoned Running Game
> > > To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:05 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can someone please explain to me why Jason Garrett abandoned the running
game so early? I actually heard a radio announcer complain about Marion Barber's
"lack of explosiveness" after a 13-yard gain. "He just doesn't seem to have that
same explosiveness" he used to have, the announcer said.
> > >  
> > > Dude, Barber was playing well. In fact, Romo and the Boys could have
easily handed the ball off at the goalline and gotten a much-needed touchdown in
that game. Instead, they rolled right, barely made the cornerback move and threw
a pick.
> > >  
> > > I can't think of any good reason why they stopped running the ball. You
can't say because they were getting pressure because that's when you need to
run. It just doesn't make sense to constantly try to throw it.
> > >  
> > > DreDog
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It's also nice to travel around with a dynasty that's won the last 2 national
titles, and hasn't lost since September of 2007.

--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> broadcasting womens volleyball, now that's a great job right there....i hated
the sport but loved to see them play
>
>
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@> wrote:
> >
> > Yea, I've done volleyball on BTN, but no basketball. I actually put the
roster together for it, but I've honestly never done a basketball broadcast in
my life (just not my thing), so it would've just been kinda wrong to put myself
on one of those games that's going to be on BTN when there's a lot of better
people than me.
> >
> > But I know the guys who did it. Actually, those are my two broadcast
partners for the football games this year.
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, brian leathernan <bdleatherman@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > yea it was basketball. my bad
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, viper_4445 <viper4445@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: viper_4445 <viper4445@>
> > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Hey Dan
> > > To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:28 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nah, wasn't me...I'm assuming you're talking about basketball, right?
> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "Brian" <bdleatherman@ ...>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Did you call the st and penn game the other day. I was watching the
bigten channel and it was student U replay, and it sounded a little like you.
> > > >
> > > > Any way if it is sounds great!!
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AAAAAAAAMMMEEEENNNN !!!!!!!!!!!!

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, ccw_1982 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


From: ccw_1982 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Hey Dan
To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 8:17 AM


 



broadcasting womens volleyball, now that's a great job right there....i hated
the sport but loved to see them play

--- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@. ..>
wrote:
>
> Yea, I've done volleyball on BTN, but no basketball. I actually put the roster
together for it, but I've honestly never done a basketball broadcast in my life
(just not my thing), so it would've just been kinda wrong to put myself on one
of those games that's going to be on BTN when there's a lot of better people
than me.
>
> But I know the guys who did it. Actually, those are my two broadcast partners
for the football games this year.
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, brian leathernan <bdleatherman@
> wrote:
> >
> > yea it was basketball. my bad
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, viper_4445 <viper4445@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: viper_4445 <viper4445@>
> > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Hey Dan
> > To: dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:28 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Nah, wasn't me...I'm assuming you're talking about basketball, right?
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "Brian" <bdleatherman@ ...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Did you call the st and penn game the other day. I was watching the bigten
channel and it was student U replay, and it sounded a little like you.
> > >
> > > Any way if it is sounds great!!
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my biggest issue is this teams discipline, if they didn't make so many mistakes
they could actually be one of the premier teams in this league and that is
indicative of the coaching style.  For all the praise the defense gets there
have been countless times they've made bonehead penalties on 3rd down that kept
drives alive...just on sunday alone they had the 2 separate hands to the face
penalties that were completely irrelevant to the outcome of the play, that's
pathetic in my opinion because it's not that hard to keep your hands below a
players shoulder pads



--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "daboyz32835" <matacale@...> wrote:
>
> I think in some way, we got complacent after the win streak and lost our
focus, maybe we were looking ahead to our soft schedule coming up against
Washington and Oakland.  This was pretty much a must win for the Packers and
they came out ready and fired up.
>
> I'm still not a fan of Wade Philips and hope we have a new HC next year.
>
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, ccw_1982 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > what else is there to say about the game?  i figured the lack of effort
spoke for itself
> >
> > so is everyone back on the lets fire wade, garrett, romo, and williams
bandwagon?  things got derailed a bit after all of those wins...the media
actually started to compliment wade
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, Wendy Toups <windybig10@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well let's see........we sucked and the only thing anyone seems to be
worried about is grammar and punctuation........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/15/09, viper_4445 <viper4445@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: viper_4445 <viper4445@>
> > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Horrible offense
> > > To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 8:23 PM
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> > >       I can't possibly be the only person who finds someone that writes
like that and makes those types of comments questioning someone else's
intelligence and maturity to be extremely humorous, can I?
> > >
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> > >
> > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, Deirrasheem Mears <demen326@
.> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > assssssssssssssssss meaning sorry, meaning dont play well, meaning
him as a player is shit damn r u slow or just dont no whats going on damn how
old r u?????????
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> > > > From: viper_4445 <viper4445@ ..>
> > >
> > > > To: dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 8:40:01 PM
> > >
> > > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Horrible offense
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> > > > Also, "ass" in a noun, not an adjective. Therefore, one cannot be "ass."
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> > > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, "daboyz32835" <matacale@
.> wrote:
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> > > > > Who is Row Williams?
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> > > > > --- In dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com, Deirrasheem Mears
<demen326@> wrote:
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> > > > > > love the cowboys 4life row williams is asssssssss to many penalties
injuries and they just came out flat as hell i'll take this loss get ready for
the next 3 wins wash,oakland, and then them damn giants
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> > > > > > From: viper_4445 <viper4445@>
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> > > > > > To: dallascowboyfanclub @yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > > > > Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 7:38:02 PM
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> > > > > > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Re: Horrible offense
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> > >
> > > > > > I'm actually incredibly angry that he caught that TD pass at the end
of the game. I am looking to see if there is some type of appeal process that I
can go through to have that catch officially removed from his stats.
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<matacale@ .> wrote:
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and then missing that simple catch, Roy Williams should hang his head.
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it should also be noted that both TO and Williams have commented on how they
felt they weren't being properly utilized and they felt their talents better
suited them running different routes than the ones that were being called during
the games...now i take that with a grain of salt because TO is, well TO and Roy
has yet to prove himself...but i do find it a bit ironic that two high profile
WR's both have had issues with how they were/are used in this offense...so it
doesn't seem to be just the running game, although his tendency to abandon the
running game his by far his worst habit.



--- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, 14 total rushes, but three were by Romo (who, by the way, was the second
leading rusher with 3 carries for 16 yards).
>
> It seemed like earlier in the year, Garrett finally had it figured out and got
the balance down, but apparently not. They're just wasting the talent on this
team while the window is closing...
>
> --- In dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com, brian leathernan <bdleatherman@>
wrote:
> >
> > Good post bro,
> >  
> > In two of the three games we have lost we have did the same thing. Look back
at last year, we did it countless times.  I am sitting at home and yes the red
baron is there up close but I promise I got a better view from a see everything
point of view. I can't understand why he stopped. I think I read where we had 11
carries, 11 OR U FREAKN KIDDING ME!!!!  . I have said this for two years now. I
hope there is noway in hell garrett becomes are next coach. I would rather have
the ST coach who gets his players ready to go  and will give everything they
got for him. So im for Joe D. as our next coach.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Andre Coe <andrecoe@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Andre Coe <andrecoe@>
> > Subject: [Dallas Cowboy Fanclub] Abandoned Running Game
> > To: dallascowboyfanclub@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:05 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Can someone please explain to me why Jason Garrett abandoned the running
game so early? I actually heard a radio announcer complain about Marion Barber's
"lack of explosiveness" after a 13-yard gain. "He just doesn't seem to have that
same explosiveness" he used to have, the announcer said.
> >  
> > Dude, Barber was playing well. In fact, Romo and the Boys could have easily
handed the ball off at the goalline and gotten a much-needed touchdown in that
game. Instead, they rolled right, barely made the cornerback move and threw a
pick.
> >  
> > I can't think of any good reason why they stopped running the ball. You
can't say because they were getting pressure because that's when you need to
run. It just doesn't make sense to constantly try to throw it.
> >  
> > DreDog
> >
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