Wow. I wonder when the last time was that an unranked team was a TD favorite
over a top 12 team.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:
>
> Nice job from West Virginia, beating BCS #9 Pitt on a last-play field goal.
>
> We've got two more realistic chances to pick up ground tomorrow. Georgia is a
7.5-point underdog at #7 Georgia Tech and home-standing Oklahoma is favored by
7.5 over #12 Oklahoma State. (We're ranked 13th.)
>
> Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin
>

Did our strongest opponent this year, Temple, actually lose? There goes our
SOS!! Looks like we are headed to the Fiesta
Bowl to play against Nebraska.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nice job from West Virginia, beating BCS #9 Pitt on a last-play field goal.

We've got two more realistic chances to pick up ground tomorrow. Georgia is a
7.5-point underdog at #7 Georgia Tech and home-standing Oklahoma is favored by
7.5 over #12 Oklahoma State. (We're ranked 13th.)

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

Well I'm being displaced for the student section after 20 years in SJ.

My parents (season ticket holders since 1968 at least) will likely be priced
out. Although their seats are at the 35 yd. line, their section will be priced
at the highest per  seat price according to the literature. They elected to
become NLC members at the onset of NLC and members since. I guess they made the
mistake of playing by those rules and gradually improving their seats since. Oh,
and also of retiring at age 68. Their bad.

Maybe they should have taken advantage of the "grandfathering" provision back in
1980 and saved the NLC donations in anticipation of this sea-change of a rule
change.

My sympathy is with long-time fans like Jim G and my parents who helped build
and contribute to PSU's success.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, nittanykat@... wrote:
>
> CEDARBROOK 205 SAID:
>
> So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I think
that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did nothing but
play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.
>
>
>
>
> =========
> I was addressing the complaints I've heard on and off-list from a few NON-NLC
members -- including a good buddy who sits close to me.  It is true those
non-NLC folks played by the rules.  But I do not see any argument whatsoever why
they should not now be made to join.  And I'm not sure why they should be given
further rewards just because they enjoyed a free ride for decades.  By the way,
my NON-NLC buddy admitted that has had numerous requests thorugh the years from
the NLC to join and that it has been pointed out to him that other season-ticket
holders joined to enjoy the privileges for which he has not paid. No one took
advantage of the 'loophole' unknowingly.  Unless they didn't read their mail or
the newspapers, they knew they were getting a free ride compared to the vast,
vast, vast majority of people...
>
> As to the other half of your question -- displacement of NLC members... That
is a completely different issue.  My understanding -- and please correct me if I
am wrong -- is that NLC members will not be displaced if they pay the new fee
starting 2011 that applies to the quality of their seast.  So, at least you have
the option of either paying or being displaced.  I am not saying that is the
right thing to do.... I haven't studied it enough yet.  I probably would phased
it in over more time and at first blush the prices do seem steep.  I'll have to
think about that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cedarbrook205 <bboger@...>
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 9:06 am
> Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re: 2010. 2011 Ticket options
>
>
>
>
>
> So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I think
that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did nothing but
play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.
>
> --- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, nittanykat@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am confused by the whole question.. Every successful program of which I am
aware, requires membership in the fund-raising association to buy tickets. It's
a standard practice. The theory being that, given the enormous cost of running
athletic programs, the demand for tickets, and the general desire to support the
Univesity's athletic program among ticket-holders, it is a pretty obvious
leverage point to ask for a donation in order to buy tickets. THis is nothing
recent. Federal tax cases regarding the tax deductibilty of such payments to
booster clubs (where ticket-buying privileges are a reward for membership) go
back decades.
> >
> > What difference does it make to PSU whether the ticket buyer lives in PA or
not? It wants to treat eveyone equally. It is correcting a long-standing
inequity.
> >
> > As for treating season ticket holders who are joining the NLC the same as
new NLC members, I am further confused. Non-NLC members have enjoyed a
tremendous windfall though the years. They were not required to pay the many
thousands that others paid for the same privilege. SO, now, as a result of
having had a windfall for many, many decades, should such persons be further
rewarded? I am scratching my head.
> >
> > It is a tough situation and I dont know what I would do i I were PSU. Some
parts of the plan doubtlessly are not well considered.
> >
> > One option is that the school should give non-NLC season ticket holders who
didn't contribute like everyone else the chance to pay ten grand (or whatever)
now to catch up with the poor schmucks who sat next to them and paid like hell
through the years.
> >
> > By the way, there are always zillions of tickets available at below face
value on campus for the meatball non-con games and the minor games like Indiana.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Genuardi <jgenuardi@>
> > To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] 2010. 2011 Ticket options
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > nittanykat@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
> > >
> > > But you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
> > > dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
> > > contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
> > > never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
> > > NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> > > just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a dozen
> > > large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a season
> > > ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster organization. IT
> > > IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that 30 years ago,
> > > they should have given a few years' notice that membership in the NLC
> > > would be requred to keep your seats... All people had to give in those
> > > days was $50/ticket. Instead... they created a bigger problem by
> > > waiting 30 years to do the normal and obvious thing.
> > >
> > > For perspective, if you want to go to the top of the list and buy 2
> > > season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will cost you $48,000 PER
> > > YEAR donation to the Iron Dukes.
> > >
> >
> > What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket holders are not
> > in the NLC? I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also sure that
> > there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't required to
> > join. If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I don't see
> > the reason for requiring us to join. If I lived in PA and could
> > actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
> > an effort to get better seats. But since I am in VA and often don't
> > attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
> > to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets. Another factor
> > would be better availability of single game tickets. If I had a
> > reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
> > especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets. But single
> > game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
> > started buying season tickets so long ago. Perhaps making more single
> > game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
> > would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
> > new program.
> >
> > Jim G. '80
> > Free-loader
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I wouldn't mind the meatball games as much if we played guys like newsome,
drake and brown in the second quarter so we could see what they could do.

it would send a message to incumbents that they better play, practice hard
and get to bed on time.

instead, the typical freshman can just assume he can party the night away
since he won't be playing anyway.

joe is the only coach in america that doesn't see the benefit of on the job
training. amazing how urban plays seven or eight wide receivers a game.
probably explains why he get talent. 10 plays a game is better than no plays
per game. and it helps with the chicks also.

early on kev mentioned brown. he looked better than anything we have, or
have had for that matter in quite a while. i think he is being punished for
catching the ball with his hands.

plus we could try a second guy on punt returns and kick offs to see if we
have something. instead let put a guy back on the punts who joe said at the
press conference isn't fast.

you get six punts with a guy who can lug it and it could be the equivalent
of 6 extra first downs a game. plus the enemy actually has to spend more
than four minutes preparing to cover our punt returns.

or we can just keep on doing the same thing over and over all season even if
it doesn't work. which by now, I am use to.

bd

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM, <nittanykat@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> i think charging is a good idea. however, i think the 'payees' should band
> ogether and demand some decent games for this new and enhanced price.
> bring in florida and you can download your tickets to some nut job florida
> an and recoup all the fees and attend the other 6-7 home games.
> capitalism at its best. and you still get to see (live and in person) ohio
> tate, iowa and soon michigan put the kalla banga on us.
> i doubt you will miss central nowhere and syriously bad.
> the alternative is to add villanova.
>
> THis year sure was a disgrace. am fine with something in between what we
> had in 2009 and what you suggest.
>
> 1. PSU should play one major intersectional game every single year. That
> means every other year we should have a HOME game against a big name --
> someone who is "historically expected" to be good at the time we schedule
> the game, i.e., Texas, Alabama, USC, UCLA, Notre Dame, Miami, Oklahoma,
> Nebraska etc. It's OK with me if this "major intersectional game" were
> someone not currently great so long as it is a "name" team that generally is
> competitive, like Auburn or Texas A&M.
>
> 2, PSU should also play at least one more home game against a team from a
> BCS conference or a high quality team from the WAC or MWC. They can pull
> this off by having occaional home-and-homes and sometimes pulling the type
> of deal they have had in the last 15 years against -- such as against Oregon
> State and Texas Tech -- whre we pay someone enough (maybe with ESPN help),
> to get a home game without a return. Maybe sometimes it will be against
> Kentucky or Baylor or NC State. But at least its better than the total crap
> we play.
>
> 3. I realize that we will need to have one and sometimes two home games
> against meatballs. I would vastly prefer we pay a little extra and make it a
> bad 1-A team and not a 1-AA team. A Conference USA team or a mid-level MAC
> squad is a lot better than seeing Indiana State and Coastal Carolina.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Bob DeMarco
http://alzheimersreadingroom.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i think charging is a good idea. however, i think the 'payees' should band
ogether and demand some decent games for this new and enhanced price.
bring in florida and you can download your tickets to some nut job florida
an and recoup all the fees and attend the other 6-7 home games.
capitalism at its best. and you still get to see (live and in person) ohio
tate, iowa and soon michigan put the kalla banga on us.
i doubt you will miss central nowhere and syriously bad.
the alternative is to add villanova.



THis year sure was a disgrace.   am fine with something in between what we had
in 2009 and what you suggest.

1.  PSU should play one major intersectional game every single year.  That means
every other year we should have a HOME game against a big name -- someone who is
"historically expected"  to be good at the time we schedule the game, i.e.,
Texas, Alabama, USC, UCLA, Notre Dame, Miami, Oklahoma, Nebraska etc.  It's OK
with me if this "major intersectional game" were someone not currently great so
long as it is a "name" team that generally is competitive, like Auburn or Texas
A&M.

2,  PSU should also play at least one more home game against a team from a BCS
conference or a high quality team from the WAC or MWC.  They can pull this off
by having occaional home-and-homes and sometimes pulling the type of deal they
have had in the last 15 years against -- such as against Oregon State and Texas
Tech -- whre we pay someone enough (maybe with ESPN help), to get a home game
without a return.  Maybe sometimes it will be against Kentucky or Baylor or NC
State.  But at least its better than the total crap we play.

3.  I realize that we will need to have one and sometimes two home games against
meatballs.  I would vastly prefer we pay a little extra and make it a bad 1-A
team and not a 1-AA team.   A Conference USA team or a mid-level MAC squad is a
lot better than seeing Indiana State and Coastal Carolina.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i think charging is a good idea. however, i think the 'payees' should band
together and demand some decent games for this new and enhanced price.

bring in florida and you can download your tickets to some nut job florida
fan and recoup all the fees and attend the other 6-7 home games.

capitalism at its best. and you still get to see (live and in person) ohio
state, iowa and soon michigan put the kalla banga on us.

i doubt you will miss central nowhere and syriously bad.

the alternative is to add villanova.

bd

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:49 AM, <nittanykat@...> wrote:

>
>
> CEDARBROOK 205 SAID:
>
> So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
> holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I
> think that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did
> nothing but play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.
>
> =========
> I was addressing the complaints I've heard on and off-list from a few
> NON-NLC members -- including a good buddy who sits close to me. It is true
> those non-NLC folks played by the rules. But I do not see any argument
> whatsoever why they should not now be made to join. And I'm not sure why
> they should be given further rewards just because they enjoyed a free ride
> for decades. By the way, my NON-NLC buddy admitted that has had numerous
> requests thorugh the years from the NLC to join and that it has been pointed
> out to him that other season-ticket holders joined to enjoy the privileges
> for which he has not paid. No one took advantage of the 'loophole'
> unknowingly. Unless they didn't read their mail or the newspapers, they knew
> they were getting a free ride compared to the vast, vast, vast majority of
> people...
>
> As to the other half of your question -- displacement of NLC members...
> That is a completely different issue. My understanding -- and please correct
> me if I am wrong -- is that NLC members will not be displaced if they pay
> the new fee starting 2011 that applies to the quality of their seast. So, at
> least you have the option of either paying or being displaced. I am not
> saying that is the right thing to do.... I haven't studied it enough yet. I
> probably would phased it in over more time and at first blush the prices do
> seem steep. I'll have to think about that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cedarbrook205 <bboger@... <bboger%40tradenet.net>>
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com<We_Are_Penn_State%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 9:06 am
> Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re: 2010. 2011 Ticket options
>
> So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
> holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I
> think that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did
> nothing but play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.
>
> --- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com<We_Are_Penn_State%40yahoogroups.com>,
> nittanykat@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am confused by the whole question.. Every successful program of which I
> am aware, requires membership in the fund-raising association to buy
> tickets. It's a standard practice. The theory being that, given the enormous
> cost of running athletic programs, the demand for tickets, and the general
> desire to support the Univesity's athletic program among ticket-holders, it
> is a pretty obvious leverage point to ask for a donation in order to buy
> tickets. THis is nothing recent. Federal tax cases regarding the tax
> deductibilty of such payments to booster clubs (where ticket-buying
> privileges are a reward for membership) go back decades.
> >
> > What difference does it make to PSU whether the ticket buyer lives in PA
> or not? It wants to treat eveyone equally. It is correcting a long-standing
> inequity.
> >
> > As for treating season ticket holders who are joining the NLC the same as
> new NLC members, I am further confused. Non-NLC members have enjoyed a
> tremendous windfall though the years. They were not required to pay the many
> thousands that others paid for the same privilege. SO, now, as a result of
> having had a windfall for many, many decades, should such persons be further
> rewarded? I am scratching my head.
> >
> > It is a tough situation and I dont know what I would do i I were PSU.
> Some parts of the plan doubtlessly are not well considered.
> >
> > One option is that the school should give non-NLC season ticket holders
> who didn't contribute like everyone else the chance to pay ten grand (or
> whatever) now to catch up with the poor schmucks who sat next to them and
> paid like hell through the years.
> >
> > By the way, there are always zillions of tickets available at below face
> value on campus for the meatball non-con games and the minor games like
> Indiana.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Genuardi <jgenuardi@...>
> > To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com<We_Are_Penn_State%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] 2010. 2011 Ticket options
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > nittanykat@... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
> > >
> > > But you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
> > > dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
> > > contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
> > > never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
> > > NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> > > just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a dozen
> > > large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a season
> > > ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster organization. IT
> > > IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that 30 years ago,
> > > they should have given a few years' notice that membership in the NLC
> > > would be requred to keep your seats... All people had to give in those
> > > days was $50/ticket. Instead... they created a bigger problem by
> > > waiting 30 years to do the normal and obvious thing.
> > >
> > > For perspective, if you want to go to the top of the list and buy 2
> > > season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will cost you $48,000 PER
> > > YEAR donation to the Iron Dukes.
> > >
> >
> > What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket holders are not
> > in the NLC? I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also sure that
> > there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't required to
> > join. If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I don't see
> > the reason for requiring us to join. If I lived in PA and could
> > actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
> > an effort to get better seats. But since I am in VA and often don't
> > attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
> > to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets. Another factor
> > would be better availability of single game tickets. If I had a
> > reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
> > especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets. But single
> > game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
> > started buying season tickets so long ago. Perhaps making more single
> > game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
> > would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
> > new program.
> >
> > Jim G. '80
> > Free-loader
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Bob DeMarco
http://alzheimersreadingroom.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

CEDARBROOK 205 SAID:

So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I think
that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did nothing but
play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.




=========
I was addressing the complaints I've heard on and off-list from a few NON-NLC
members -- including a good buddy who sits close to me.  It is true those
non-NLC folks played by the rules.  But I do not see any argument whatsoever why
they should not now be made to join.  And I'm not sure why they should be given
further rewards just because they enjoyed a free ride for decades.  By the way,
my NON-NLC buddy admitted that has had numerous requests thorugh the years from
the NLC to join and that it has been pointed out to him that other season-ticket
holders joined to enjoy the privileges for which he has not paid. No one took
advantage of the 'loophole' unknowingly.  Unless they didn't read their mail or
the newspapers, they knew they were getting a free ride compared to the vast,
vast, vast majority of people...

As to the other half of your question -- displacement of NLC members... That is
a completely different issue.  My understanding -- and please correct me if I am
wrong -- is that NLC members will not be displaced if they pay the new fee
starting 2011 that applies to the quality of their seast.  So, at least you have
the option of either paying or being displaced.  I am not saying that is the
right thing to do.... I haven't studied it enough yet.  I probably would phased
it in over more time and at first blush the prices do seem steep.  I'll have to
think about that.

-----Original Message-----
From: cedarbrook205 <bboger@...>
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 9:06 am
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re: 2010. 2011 Ticket options





So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I think
that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did nothing but
play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, nittanykat@... wrote:
>
>
> I am confused by the whole question.. Every successful program of which I am
aware, requires membership in the fund-raising association to buy tickets. It's
a standard practice. The theory being that, given the enormous cost of running
athletic programs, the demand for tickets, and the general desire to support the
Univesity's athletic program among ticket-holders, it is a pretty obvious
leverage point to ask for a donation in order to buy tickets. THis is nothing
recent. Federal tax cases regarding the tax deductibilty of such payments to
booster clubs (where ticket-buying privileges are a reward for membership) go
back decades.
>
> What difference does it make to PSU whether the ticket buyer lives in PA or
not? It wants to treat eveyone equally. It is correcting a long-standing
inequity.
>
> As for treating season ticket holders who are joining the NLC the same as new
NLC members, I am further confused. Non-NLC members have enjoyed a tremendous
windfall though the years. They were not required to pay the many thousands that
others paid for the same privilege. SO, now, as a result of having had a
windfall for many, many decades, should such persons be further rewarded? I am
scratching my head.
>
> It is a tough situation and I dont know what I would do i I were PSU. Some
parts of the plan doubtlessly are not well considered.
>
> One option is that the school should give non-NLC season ticket holders who
didn't contribute like everyone else the chance to pay ten grand (or whatever)
now to catch up with the poor schmucks who sat next to them and paid like hell
through the years.
>
> By the way, there are always zillions of tickets available at below face value
on campus for the meatball non-con games and the minor games like Indiana.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Genuardi <jgenuardi@...>
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] 2010. 2011 Ticket options
>
>
>
>
> nittanykat@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
> >
> > But you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
> > dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
> > contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
> > never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
> > NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> > just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a dozen
> > large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a season
> > ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster organization. IT
> > IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that 30 years ago,
> > they should have given a few years' notice that membership in the NLC
> > would be requred to keep your seats... All people had to give in those
> > days was $50/ticket. Instead... they created a bigger problem by
> > waiting 30 years to do the normal and obvious thing.
> >
> > For perspective, if you want to go to the top of the list and buy 2
> > season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will cost you $48,000 PER
> > YEAR donation to the Iron Dukes.
> >
>
> What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket holders are not
> in the NLC? I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also sure that
> there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't required to
> join. If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I don't see
> the reason for requiring us to join. If I lived in PA and could
> actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
> an effort to get better seats. But since I am in VA and often don't
> attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
> to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets. Another factor
> would be better availability of single game tickets. If I had a
> reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
> especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets. But single
> game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
> started buying season tickets so long ago. Perhaps making more single
> game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
> would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
> new program.
>
> Jim G. '80
> Free-loader
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

So how are those of us who have always been NLC members and season-ticket
holders supposed to feel about being displaced and priced-out? Because I think
that both we (and frankly the grandfathered non-NLC members) did nothing but
play by the rules as they existed over the past 25+ years.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, nittanykat@... wrote:
>
>
> I am confused by the whole question..  Every successful program of which I am
aware, requires membership in the fund-raising association to buy tickets.  It's
a standard practice.  The theory being that, given the enormous cost of running
athletic programs,  the demand for tickets, and the general desire to support
the Univesity's athletic program among ticket-holders, it is a pretty obvious
leverage point to ask for a donation in order to buy tickets.  THis is nothing
recent.  Federal tax cases regarding the tax deductibilty of such payments to
booster clubs (where ticket-buying privileges are a reward for membership) go
back decades.
>
> What difference does it make to PSU whether the ticket buyer lives in PA or
not?   It wants to treat eveyone equally. It is correcting a long-standing
inequity.
>
> As for treating season ticket holders who are joining the NLC the same as new
NLC members, I am further confused.  Non-NLC members have enjoyed a tremendous
windfall though the years.  They were not required to pay the many thousands
that others paid for the same privilege.  SO, now, as a result of having had a
windfall for many, many decades, should such persons be further rewarded?   I am
scratching my head.
>
> It is a tough situation and I dont know what I would do i I were PSU.  Some
parts of the plan doubtlessly are not well considered.
>
> One option is that the school should give non-NLC season ticket holders who
didn't contribute like everyone else the chance to pay ten grand (or whatever)
now to catch up with the poor schmucks who sat next to them and paid like hell
through the years.
>
> By the way, there are always zillions of tickets available at below face value
on campus for the meatball non-con games and the minor games like Indiana.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Genuardi <jgenuardi@...>
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] 2010. 2011 Ticket options
>
>
>
>
> nittanykat@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
> >
> > But you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
> > dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
> > contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
> > never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
> > NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> > just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a dozen
> > large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a season
> > ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster organization. IT
> > IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that 30 years ago,
> > they should have given a few years' notice that membership in the NLC
> > would be requred to keep your seats... All people had to give in those
> > days was $50/ticket. Instead... they created a bigger problem by
> > waiting 30 years to do the normal and obvious thing.
> >
> > For perspective, if you want to go to the top of the list and buy 2
> > season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will cost you $48,000 PER
> > YEAR donation to the Iron Dukes.
> >
>
> What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket holders are not
> in the NLC? I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also sure that
> there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't required to
> join. If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I don't see
> the reason for requiring us to join. If I lived in PA and could
> actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
> an effort to get better seats. But since I am in VA and often don't
> attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
> to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets. Another factor
> would be better availability of single game tickets. If I had a
> reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
> especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets. But single
> game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
> started buying season tickets so long ago. Perhaps making more single
> game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
> would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
> new program.
>
> Jim G. '80
> Free-loader
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I am confused by the whole question..  Every successful program of which I am
aware, requires membership in the fund-raising association to buy tickets.  It's
a standard practice.  The theory being that, given the enormous cost of running
athletic programs,  the demand for tickets, and the general desire to support
the Univesity's athletic program among ticket-holders, it is a pretty obvious
leverage point to ask for a donation in order to buy tickets.  THis is nothing
recent.  Federal tax cases regarding the tax deductibilty of such payments to
booster clubs (where ticket-buying privileges are a reward for membership) go
back decades.

What difference does it make to PSU whether the ticket buyer lives in PA or not?
It wants to treat eveyone equally. It is correcting a long-standing inequity.

As for treating season ticket holders who are joining the NLC the same as new
NLC members, I am further confused.  Non-NLC members have enjoyed a tremendous
windfall though the years.  They were not required to pay the many thousands
that others paid for the same privilege.  SO, now, as a result of having had a
windfall for many, many decades, should such persons be further rewarded?   I am
scratching my head.

It is a tough situation and I dont know what I would do i I were PSU.  Some
parts of the plan doubtlessly are not well considered.

One option is that the school should give non-NLC season ticket holders who
didn't contribute like everyone else the chance to pay ten grand (or whatever)
now to catch up with the poor schmucks who sat next to them and paid like hell
through the years.

By the way, there are always zillions of tickets available at below face value
on campus for the meatball non-con games and the minor games like Indiana.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Genuardi <jgenuardi@...>
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] 2010. 2011 Ticket options




nittanykat@... wrote:
>
>
> Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
>
> But you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
> dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
> contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
> never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
> NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a dozen
> large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a season
> ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster organization. IT
> IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that 30 years ago,
> they should have given a few years' notice that membership in the NLC
> would be requred to keep your seats... All people had to give in those
> days was $50/ticket. Instead... they created a bigger problem by
> waiting 30 years to do the normal and obvious thing.
>
> For perspective, if you want to go to the top of the list and buy 2
> season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will cost you $48,000 PER
> YEAR donation to the Iron Dukes.
>

What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket holders are not
in the NLC? I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also sure that
there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't required to
join. If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I don't see
the reason for requiring us to join. If I lived in PA and could
actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
an effort to get better seats. But since I am in VA and often don't
attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets. Another factor
would be better availability of single game tickets. If I had a
reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets. But single
game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
started buying season tickets so long ago. Perhaps making more single
game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
new program.

Jim G. '80
Free-loader






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Imposter:

>> I watched some of the game tonight and can't see why this Texas defense is
rated #1. <<

Not sure what you mean, who has them rated as the country's best defense?

They are #7 in scoring defense (Florida #1, Alambama #2, PSU #4); #3 in Total
Defense behind Alabama and Florida (PSU is #7); and #9 in Opponents' First Down
(TCU #1, 'Bama #2, Florida #3, and PSU #8).

Texas has a very good defense, to be sure, but pretty clearly not #1.

Penn State Proud, Trader Kevin

I watched some of the game tonight and can't see why this Texas defense is rated
#1.
They give up 50 yards on one play, let alone 50 yards per game ... I think we
could take them!


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I just played that for everyone here getting ready to eat... what a blast of
memory.

Dave Kroll  Penn State Proud


DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support

256-544-1462    (-Office-)
210-827-1382    (-Cell-)
256-325-6952    (-Home-)

________________________________
From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com [We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Trader Kevin [cbot_kevin@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:10 AM
To: PSU Football List a
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Classic Thanksgiving video



http://www.PennStateClips.com/2009/11/video-happy-thanksgiving-from-penn.html





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Movie rights? I think you should give Richard Kelly a shot. He can  show
the dark side of women's volleyball...

Jerry Lorow (class of '85)


In a message dated 11/26/2009 11:56:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
viper4445@... writes:

Thanks  guys. Tommy and I are in the process of negotiating the movie
rights  now...





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It would have to be something better than the BTN.com presentation. That was
really bad!

Dave Kroll  Penn State Proud


DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support

256-544-1462    (-Office-)
210-827-1382    (-Cell-)
256-325-6952    (-Home-)

________________________________________
From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com [We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kent Manno [kmanno@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:05 PM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] We Won

Penn State needs a plan like MLB...pump all the games into
the net for a reasonable fee...

KHM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kent Manno
Librarian
Director - Delbarton Sports Camps
Director of Transportation
Delbarton School
230 Mendham Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
973.538.3231 x3372




On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS] wrote:

> I'm in San Jose... no viewing possible. I watched it on Game tracker
> until THAT went down and then went over to Fox online and caught the
> second half.
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
>
> DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
>
> 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
>
> ________________________________________
> From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com [We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Kent Manno [kmanno@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:13 PM
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] We Won
>
> Watched it myself...Sacred Heart was not a bad team...
> nobody in the stands...expected...Thanksgiving Break...
>
> I may go down to Temple next weekend to see them
> play...
>
> KHM
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Kent Manno
> Librarian
> Director - Delbarton Sports Camps
> Director of Transportation
> Delbarton School
> 230 Mendham Road
> Morristown, NJ 07960
> 973.538.3231 x3372
>
> On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS] wrote:
>
> > PSU beat the Sacred Heart 87-75
> >
> > It was a closer game than the score shows.
> >
> > Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
> >
> > DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
> >
> > 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> > 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> > 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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That's great Dan ... let us know if you need any help auditioning ladies to play
the V-ball team ... I'm sure there are a lot of guys here that would like to
give you a hand ... or any other part of their body that's necessary, ha!

Seriously, that was a great article and you guys have a good head-start on your
careers.  Best of luck in the future.

Steve '69 in VA

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, "viper_4445" <viper4445@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys. Tommy and I are in the process of negotiating the movie rights
now...
>
> --- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, "cedarbrook205" <bboger@> wrote:
> >
> > Just got a chance to read this. Thanks, Jerry, for linking the article. Dan,
that's awesome. Remember us when you are (even more) famous.
> >
> > --- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, thelorow@ wrote:
> > >
> > > _http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1_
(http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1)
> > >
> > > Jerry Lorow (class of '85)
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Thanks guys. Tommy and I are in the process of negotiating the movie rights
now...

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, "cedarbrook205" <bboger@...> wrote:
>
> Just got a chance to read this. Thanks, Jerry, for linking the article. Dan,
that's awesome. Remember us when you are (even more) famous.
>
> --- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, thelorow@ wrote:
> >
> > _http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1_ (http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1)
> >
> > Jerry Lorow (class of '85)
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Just got a chance to read this. Thanks, Jerry, for linking the article. Dan,
that's awesome. Remember us when you are (even more) famous.

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, thelorow@... wrote:
>
> _http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1_ (http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1)
>
> Jerry Lorow (class of '85)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Classic.

"It was almost as if the turkeys mounted a counter-attack."

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, Trader Kevin <cbot_kevin@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.PennStateClips.com/2009/11/video-happy-thanksgiving-from-penn.html
>

http://www.PennStateClips.com/2009/11/video-happy-thanksgiving-from-penn.html

There are definitely worse ways to spend a weekend than traveling around
with a group of Amazons...
Way to go Viper.

Jim Hauze '74


>“There are definitely worse ways to spend my weekends than traveling
around with the No. 1 team in the nation as they’re chasing history, trying
to become the first women’s Division I program to win three straight
national titles,” Krupinsky said.


On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:22:21 EST, thelorow@... wrote:
> _http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1_
(http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1)
>
>
> Jerry Lorow (class of '85)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll third that...;)


Kent H. Manno | Delbarton School | Morristown, NJ 07960 | kmanno@... |
973.538.3231 x3372 sent via VZW BlackBerry Curve 2 mobile solution...

-----Original Message-----
From: "cedarbrook205" <bboger@...>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:53:03
To: <We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [We Are...Penn State] Re: Off topic

I'll second that!

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, ImPoster <impnst8r@...> wrote:
>
> Wishing everyone a very safe and happy Thanksgiving Holiday season!!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll second that!

--- In We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com, ImPoster <impnst8r@...> wrote:
>
> Wishing everyone a very safe and happy Thanksgiving Holiday season!!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:22 PM, <thelorow@...> wrote:

> _http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1_ (http://live.psu.edu/story/43173/nw1
> )
>
===

Jerry- thanks for posting.
Dan- nice recognition about your work- and commitment to your passion.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't see why they should change the rules on someone, even if it was
unfair the past xxx years.  If they want to have a policy "..from this day
forward" by all means, do it, but don't punish those that were able to slip
through the cracks due to no fault of their own.


In a message dated 11/25/2009 8:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jgenuardi@... writes:




_nittanykat@..._ (mailto:nittanykat@...)  wrote:
>
>
> Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
>
> But  you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
>  dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
>  contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
>  never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
>  NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a  dozen
> large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a  season
> ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster  organization. IT
> IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that  30 years ago,
> they should have given a few years' notice that  membership in the NLC
> would be requred to keep your seats... All  people had to give in those
> days was $50/ticket. Instead... they  created a bigger problem by
> waiting 30 years to do the normal and  obvious thing.
>
> For perspective, if you want to go to the top  of the list and buy 2
> season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will  cost you $48,000 PER
> YEAR donation to the Iron  Dukes.
>

What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket  holders are not
in the NLC? I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also  sure that
there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't  required to
join. If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I  don't see
the reason for requiring us to join. If I lived in PA and could
actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
an effort to get better seats. But since I am in VA and often don't
attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets. Another factor
would be better availability of single game tickets. If I had a
reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets. But single
game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
started buying season tickets so long ago. Perhaps making more single
game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
new program.

Jim G. '80
Free-loader






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Penn State needs a plan like MLB...pump all the games into
the net for a reasonable fee...

KHM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kent Manno
Librarian
Director - Delbarton Sports Camps
Director of Transportation
Delbarton School
230 Mendham Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
973.538.3231 x3372




On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS] wrote:

> I'm in San Jose... no viewing possible. I watched it on Game tracker
> until THAT went down and then went over to Fox online and caught the
> second half.
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
>
> DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
>
> 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
>
> ________________________________________
> From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com [We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Kent Manno [kmanno@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:13 PM
> To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] We Won
>
> Watched it myself...Sacred Heart was not a bad team...
> nobody in the stands...expected...Thanksgiving Break...
>
> I may go down to Temple next weekend to see them
> play...
>
> KHM
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Kent Manno
> Librarian
> Director - Delbarton Sports Camps
> Director of Transportation
> Delbarton School
> 230 Mendham Road
> Morristown, NJ 07960
> 973.538.3231 x3372
>
> On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS] wrote:
>
> > PSU beat the Sacred Heart 87-75
> >
> > It was a closer game than the score shows.
> >
> > Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
> >
> > DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
> >
> > 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> > 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> > 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

nittanykat@... wrote:
>
>
> Jim, its a tough situation, I understand.
>
> But you have to realize that most of us have donated MANY thousands of
> dollars through the years for the right to buy our tickets. That
> contribution should be recognized in future allocations of seats. I
> never - ever - understood why PSU did what others did not do When the
> NLC was created, PSU did not require people to join to get tix. Why? I
> just dont' get it. I quizzed my freinds who have season tix at a dozen
> large schools -- they were floored that anyone could buy a season
> ticket at PSU without being a member of the booster organization. IT
> IS UNHEARD OF AT MAJOR PROGRAMS. The problem is that 30 years ago,
> they should have given a few years' notice that membership in the NLC
> would be requred to keep your seats... All people had to give in those
> days was $50/ticket. Instead... they created a bigger problem by
> waiting 30 years to do the normal and obvious thing.
>
> For perspective, if you want to go to the top of the list and buy 2
> season tickets to see Duke basketball, it will cost you $48,000 PER
> YEAR donation to the Iron Dukes.
>

What I'd really like to know is how many season ticket holders are not
in the NLC?  I'm sure there are some like me, but I'm also sure that
there are some who joined the NLC even though they weren't required to
join.  If it isn't a large number of non-NLC members, then I don't see
the reason for requiring us to join.  If I lived in PA and could
actually attend games, I probably would have joined the NLC long ago in
an effort to get better seats.  But since I am in VA and often don't
attend any games due to our kids' schedules in the fall, the requirement
to join is really an obstacle for renewing my tickets.  Another factor
would be better availability of single game tickets.  If I had a
reasonable chance of obtaining tickets for 1 or 2 games a year,
especially the big games, I'd give up my season tickets.  But single
game tickets are nearly impossible to obtain, which is the main reason I
started buying season tickets so long ago.  Perhaps making more single
game tickets available, and making them available to the general public,
would have been another good change they could have made as part of the
new program.

Jim G. '80
Free-loader

I'm in San Jose... no viewing possible. I watched it on Game tracker until THAT
went down and then went over to Fox online and caught the second half.

Dave Kroll  Penn State Proud


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From: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com [We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kent Manno [kmanno@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:13 PM
To: We_Are_Penn_State@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [We Are...Penn State] We Won

Watched it myself...Sacred Heart was not a bad team...
nobody in the stands...expected...Thanksgiving Break...

I may go down to Temple next weekend to see them
play...


KHM

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Kent Manno
Librarian
Director - Delbarton Sports Camps
Director of Transportation
Delbarton School
230 Mendham Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
973.538.3231 x3372




On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS] wrote:

> PSU beat the Sacred Heart 87-75
>
> It was a closer game than the score shows.
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
>
> DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
>
> 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Watched it myself...Sacred Heart was not a bad team...
nobody in the stands...expected...Thanksgiving Break...

I may go down to Temple next weekend to see them
play...


KHM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kent Manno
Librarian
Director - Delbarton Sports Camps
Director of Transportation
Delbarton School
230 Mendham Road
Morristown, NJ 07960
973.538.3231 x3372




On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Kroll, Paul D. (MSFC-IS70)[UNITeS] wrote:

> PSU beat the Sacred Heart 87-75
>
> It was a closer game than the score shows.
>
> Dave Kroll Penn State Proud
>
> DB2 and IMS from Soup 2 Nuts Support
>
> 256-544-1462 (-Office-)
> 210-827-1382 (-Cell-)
> 256-325-6952 (-Home-)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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