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although TV guuide says its about a space launch, WETA is showing "Inside" about
the 2005 World Club Champion between Liverpool and Sao Paulo in 2005 from Japan.

Very cool, everything from how refs are selected to journalists getting
credentials and finding the stadium, how many balls are needed, etc.  its mostly
about the referees though.  very cool.


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#17508

From: "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:17 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

jjamar3@...

You’re absolutely right. I was being a little hyperbolic when I said that soccer officials in the US were not prepared to make changes. I think the best way to bring about effective change would be academies (or what I prefer to call soccer schools) run by pro teams. The advantage is the exposure on a daily basis to pro players and coaches. That’s how I lived it and it’s a pretty sound way to make progress in my humble opinion.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rumberg, Michael (DCHR)
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:59 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

Well, actually there are some changes underway.

First, there are a couple of academies, the IMG Academy in Bradenton, FL is the one I have heard about (and actually visited a few years ago when DCU was there in preseason) is where Adu and many others have come from. http://www.imgacademies.com/soccer-academy/alumni/ but there are others.

MLS and USSF has actually also publicly recognized the challenge and have an active program to change the system to exactly what Jacques is talking about http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Development-Academy/Academy-Overview.aspx

MLS scrapped the “Reserve” league in favor of the Academy system and DCU has a very robust academy

http://www.dcunited.com/academy as do the other teams.

There are other private academies outside of IMG, and in fact MLS has been criticized heavily (and DCU locally not so long ago but can t find the article) for the competition they are causing with the “select” and travel teams).

It might still take a 100 years, but change is happening.

Make a difference in your community.

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From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacques Amar
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:32 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

I will repeat something I’ve said many many times here. If you join the pro game at 22 (the earliest age if you finish a four year college program), you missed the boat! At that age, the European and South American kids who went to soccer schools run by pro teams have had several years of pro play at the top level under their belts, while US college kids are just becoming rookies (if they are lucky) in a second rated pro league.

If nothing changes drastically, and I see no sign of US soccer officials getting the message, it will take another 100 years for the US to win a World Cup.

Jacques

#17507

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:58 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

mikerumberg

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Well, actually there are some changes underway.

MLS scrapped the “Reserve” league in favor of the Academy system and DCU has a very robust academy

http://www.dcunited.com/academy as do the other teams.

It might still take a 100 years, but change is happening.

Make a difference in your community.

Watch your US mail for your 2010 Census Form.

If nothing changes drastically, and I see no sign of US soccer officials getting the message, it will take another 100 years for the US to win a World Cup.

Jacques

#17506

From: "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:32 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

jjamar3@...

I think Paul has the wrong info about Universities in countries outside of the US. Let’s take my country, which is the one I know best. There are no university sports to speak of. At best some universities have what is called in the US “intramurals” sports. And believe me that’s not where the top athletes in any sport come from. You have to remember that in France Universities are free (in theory, of course, since everything is being paid through taxes and the tax rates in France are way higher than in the US. By the way the same is true of our “free socialized” health system!). I went to University in Paris, but never played a single game for any university team (there wasn’t a varsity team in any sport!). I started playing soccer at age 5, in my neighborhood’s youth club, in Nice. In middle schools and high schools there are no varsity sports, so you can’t practice any sport in school. But the infrastructure outside the schools is great. I went on to play on the youth teams of the OGC Nice, the 1^st division professional team in my native city. At age 15 I was noticed by a scout from the Racing Club de Paris (RCP, the precursor to today’s Paris Saint-Germain), the top team in the French 1^st division. They brought me to Paris. I went as a boarder to their soccer school in the outskirts of Paris. While there I continued playing on their youth teams and then moved on to the reserve team that played in the Division d’Honneur, an amateur division. When I turned 18, I started with RCP’s reserves and then at 19 started playing for the 1^st team. I never stopped going to school, got into the Sorbonne, got a degree, all the while playing pro with RCP. At no time during my soccer career, from age 5 to 26 (career ending injury) did any academic institution play a role in my development as a soccer player.

The situation is the same in Spain, Italy, Portugal and I suspect in a lot of countries around the world, where Universities are thought of as academic institutions that develop your mind and not feeder systems for the professional sports leagues. How many EPL players have attended Oxford or Cambridge? Not too many, I suspect. In my case, it was my father (a wise man, if I may say so) who insisted, as a condition of my recruitment by RCP, that I be allowed to go to University while playing the pro game. It wasn’t easy. But it can be done. It’s a matter of how badly you want it.

You cannot compare numbers, because the US has a population of about 330 million inhabitants, and France is barely reaching 70 million. However, because, as I said before, University is “free”, I am willing to bet that the percentage of youth that go to University in France is very comparable to that in the US. The difference is that when we go to school, it never crosses the students’ mind to play sports so that we can make a career out of it. Simply because it is impossible.

If nothing changes drastically, and I see no sign of US soccer officials getting the message, it will take another 100 years for the US to win a World Cup.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rumberg, Michael (DCHR)
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:15 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

I suspect Paul is onto something here – my guess is that the rate of college attendance is much much higher in the US than in most other countries – and that the number of athletes in the NCAA “college/minor-league” training/development system is vastly more than the number of athletes in the commercial training/development systems of the other countries leagues.

Not saying it’s a better development system, just deeper

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From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Levy
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:32 PM
To: jjamar3@...; DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

what is the relative fraction of the entire population going on to
university in the various "good soccer countries"? How does that
fraction compare to the fraction in the US?

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> jjamar3@... 11/30/2009 2:28 PM >>>
He actually makes a lot of sense! I had never read his column. Some of
his ideas need a little tweaking (the first division needs 18 teams, not
10), but in general his premise seems sound. I’ve been saying all
along that the playoff system is just a bad idea. That’s how you end
up with a team with a losing season record being the MLS champ. The
college game is a waste of time and effort. No other soccer country has
the equivalent, and most of the good soccer countries have found a more
effective way to develop talent than the NCAA college farce.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of deckbreth@...
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:46 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

i was just reading this and wondering if it was worth posting here.
Jimmy's outrageous, as usual. ; )

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To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:38:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
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Subject: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

<http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=702921&sec=mls&root=mls&cc=5901>
A vision for the future of Major League Soccer -- from Soccernet's Jimmy
Conrad.

It is about that time of year where we identify all of what we want MLS
to be. Conrad's proposals seem to contain a little of everything. I am
not sure that having a two 10 team leagues is the right number but maybe
16 / 18 in the top division and 10 in the second. ... the probem is
getting a team like RBNY to agree to field a legitimate team.

#17505

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:24 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

mikerumberg

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Sure, but why is the NCAA so successful at doing this for all the other sports (developing the athletes) but not for soccer? All the NBA, MLB, and Niffle athletes come from colleges?

Also, one has to remember that there are only about 450 player positions in MLS and what, another ~300 or so in the other “pro” leagues? I will guess there is something between 7,000-10,000 college player positions. And millions of player positions outside college. This ratio is substantially the same for the other sports.

Add to this that the average pro career is only a few years – very few people can afford the risk of going directly to development and not making it versus getting a degree and having something marketable when the dream isn’t fulfilled.

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Levy
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:49 PM
To: Rumberg, Michael (DCHR); DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

point is larger than that -- in a society in which success is defined, in part, as sending your kids to college, and in which higher education is generally considered to be an important part of the necessary ticket to success, it is just unrealistic to expect that any except the most superbly able teenage soccer players are going to go straight into the pro ranks instead of to college first. You know, I have been there, I myself had a child who dreamed of playing professionally eventually, and I was a parent manager for several different teams full of top players with the same goal in mind --- including DC United youth teams and ODP teams as well as NCSL Division 1 teams -- I think I have a good sense of what the thinking it. A handful of those kids have made it into pro ranks -- coming to mind as I sit here are Mike Lahoud with Chivas, Andrew Dykstra with the Fire, Corey Ashe at Houston. The odds are pretty darn low, so most parents push their kids to go to colle ge, and most kids do it because of (or without the need for) their parents' urging.

So, we can bemoan the training that soccer players get in college, but the NCAA training system, is going to be with us for some time to come

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> michael.rumberg@... 11/30/2009 3:15 PM >>>
I suspect Paul is onto something here - my guess is that the rate of
college attendance is much much higher in the US than in most other
countries - and that the number of athletes in the NCAA
"college/minor-league" training/development system is vastly more than
the number of athletes in the commercial training/development systems of
the other countries leagues.

Not saying it's a better development system, just deeper

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Levy
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:32 PM
To: jjamar3@...; DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

what is the relative fraction of the entire population going on to
university in the various "good soccer countries"? How does that
fraction compare to the fraction in the US?

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> jjamar3@... <mailto:jjamar3%40comcast.net> 11/30/2009 2:28
PM >>>
He actually makes a lot of sense! I had never read his column. Some of
his ideas need a little tweaking (the first division needs 18 teams, not
10), but in general his premise seems sound. I've been saying all
along that the playoff system is just a bad idea. That's how you end
up with a team with a losing season record being the MLS champ. The
college game is a waste of time and effort. No other soccer country has
the equivalent, and most of the good soccer countries have found a more
effective way to develop talent than the NCAA college farce.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com> ]
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:46 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

i was just reading this and wondering if it was worth posting here.
Jimmy's outrageous, as usual. ; )

Make a difference in your community.
Watch your US mail for your 2010 Census Form.
www.census.dc.gov
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:38:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

<http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=702921&sec=mls&root=mls&c
c=5901>
A vision for the future of Major League Soccer -- from Soccernet's Jimmy
Conrad.

It is about that time of year where we identify all of what we want MLS
to be. Conrad's proposals seem to contain a little of everything. I am
not sure that having a two 10 team leagues is the right number but maybe
16 / 18 in the top division and 10 in the second. ... the probem is
getting a team like RBNY to agree to field a legitimate team.

#17504

From: "Paul Levy" <plevy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:48 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

paulalanlevyesq

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point is larger than that -- in a society in which success is defined, in part,
as sending your kids to college, and in which higher education is generally
considered to be an important part of the necessary ticket to success, it is
just unrealistic to expect that any except the most superbly able teenage soccer
players are going to go straight into the pro ranks instead of to college first.
You know, I have been there, I myself had a child who dreamed of playing
professionally eventually, and I was a parent manager for several different
teams full of top players with the same goal in mind --- including DC United
youth teams and ODP teams as well as NCSL Division 1 teams -- I think I have a
good sense of what the thinking it.  A handful of those kids have made it into
pro ranks -- coming to mind as I sit here are Mike Lahoud with Chivas, Andrew
Dykstra with the Fire, Corey Ashe at Houston.  The odds are pretty darn low, so
most parents push their kids to go to college, and  most kids do it because of
(or without the need for) their parents' urging.

So, we can bemoan the training that soccer players get in college, but the NCAA
training system, is going to be with us for some time to come

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> michael.rumberg@... 11/30/2009 3:15 PM >>>
I suspect Paul is onto something here - my guess is that the rate of
college attendance is much much higher in the US than in most other
countries - and that the number of athletes in the NCAA
"college/minor-league" training/development system is vastly more than
the number of athletes in the commercial training/development systems of
the other countries leagues.



Not saying it's a better development system, just deeper





From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Levy
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:32 PM
To: jjamar3@...; DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better





what is the relative fraction of the entire population going on to
university in the various "good soccer countries"? How does that
fraction compare to the fraction in the US?

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> jjamar3@... <mailto:jjamar3%40comcast.net>  11/30/2009 2:28
PM >>>
He actually makes a lot of sense! I had never read his column. Some of
his ideas need a little tweaking (the first division needs 18 teams, not
10), but in general his premise seems sound. I've been saying all
along that the playoff system is just a bad idea. That's how you end
up with a team with a losing season record being the MLS champ. The
college game is a waste of time and effort. No other soccer country has
the equivalent, and most of the good soccer countries have found a more
effective way to develop talent than the NCAA college farce.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com> ]
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:46 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

i was just reading this and wondering if it was worth posting here.
Jimmy's outrageous, as usual. ; )


Make a difference in your community.
Watch your US mail for your 2010 Census Form.
www.census.dc.gov
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:38:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

<http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=702921&sec=mls&root=mls&c
c=5901>
A vision for the future of Major League Soccer -- from Soccernet's Jimmy
Conrad.

It is about that time of year where we identify all of what we want MLS
to be. Conrad's proposals seem to contain a little of everything. I am
not sure that having a two 10 team leagues is the right number but maybe
16 / 18 in the top division and 10 in the second. ... the probem is
getting a team like RBNY to agree to field a legitimate team.

#17503

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:15 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

mikerumberg

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Not saying it’s a better development system, just deeper

Make a difference in your community.

Watch your US mail for your 2010 Census Form.

#17502

From: "Paul Levy" <plevy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:31 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

paulalanlevyesq

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what is the relative fraction of the entire population going on to
university in the various "good soccer countries"?  How does that
fraction compare to the fraction in the US?

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> jjamar3@... 11/30/2009 2:28 PM >>>
He actually makes a lot of sense! I had never read his column. Some of
his ideas need a little tweaking (the first division needs 18 teams, not
10), but in general his premise seems sound. I�ve been saying all
along that the playoff system is just a bad idea. That�s how you end
up with a team with a losing season record being the MLS champ. The
college game is a waste of time and effort. No other soccer country has
the equivalent, and most of the good soccer countries have found a more
effective way to develop talent than the NCAA college farce.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of deckbreth@...
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:46 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better





i was just reading this and wondering if it was worth posting here.
Jimmy's outrageous, as usual.   ; )




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Subject: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better




<http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=702921&sec=mls&root=mls&cc=5901>
A vision for the future of Major League Soccer -- from Soccernet's Jimmy
Conrad.

It is about that time of year where we identify all of what we want MLS
to be. Conrad's proposals seem to contain a little of everything. I am
not sure that having a two 10 team leagues is the right number but maybe
16 / 18 in the top division and 10 in the second. ... the probem is
getting a team like RBNY to agree to field a legitimate team.

#17501

From: "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:28 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

jjamar3@...

He actually makes a lot of sense! I had never read his column. Some of his ideas need a little tweaking (the first division needs 18 teams, not 10), but in general his premise seems sound. I’ve been saying all along that the playoff system is just a bad idea. That’s how you end up with a team with a losing season record being the MLS champ. The college game is a waste of time and effort. No other soccer country has the equivalent, and most of the good soccer countries have found a more effective way to develop talent than the NCAA college farce.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of deckbreth@...
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:46 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

i was just reading this and wondering if it was worth posting here. Jimmy's outrageous, as usual. ; )

----- Original Message -----
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To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:38:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

A vision for the future of Major League Soccer -- from Soccernet's Jimmy Conrad.

It is about that time of year where we identify all of what we want MLS to be. Conrad's proposals seem to contain a little of everything. I am not sure that having a two 10 team leagues is the right number but maybe 16 / 18 in the top division and 10 in the second. ... the probem is getting a team like RBNY to agree to field a legitimate team.

#17500

From: deckbreth@...
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [dcunited] The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

deckbreth

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i was just reading this and wondering if it was worth posting here. Jimmy's outrageous, as usual. ; )

#17499

From: "do_not_open_attachments" <smsysupd@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Coaching candidate speaks.....

do_not_open_...

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She enjoys the end to end action and the speed of the play (that is why she has
come to really like watching Seattle or the Mexican games).

--- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com, "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...> wrote:
>
> Your daughter has a keen eye for entertaining soccer! That is the reason I
> never watch MLS soccer on tv (except DC United of course), but I do watch
> college soccer. It may be less technically and strategically sophisticated
> than MLS but the intensity and enthusiasm levels more than compensate. Plus
> it is fun to watch these young men play and try to figure out which ones are
> likely to end up in the pro game (hopefully not MLS, where talent is buried
> under and never allowed to blossom).
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of do_not_open_attachments
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:59 AM
> To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [dcunited] Re: Coaching candidate speaks.....
>
>
>
>
>
> Funny that Akron's coach is one of the candidates, watching the NCAA my
> daughter commentted on how much fun the college game is to watch ... more so
> than the average MLS game.
>
> --- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DCUnited%40yahoogroups.com> , "Paul
> Levy" <plevy@> wrote:
> >
> > Noted in Goff's blog this morning:
> >
> > Akron's Caleb Porter, a candidate for D.C. United's coaching job, in the
> Cleveland Plain Dealer: "We play an attack style of soccer. We want to
> dominate the game. We press on offense, press on defense. We don't want to
> just hang on for what I call empty wins."
> >
> > Paul Alan Levy
> > Public Citizen Litigation Group
> > 1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
> > Washington, D.C. 20009
> > (202) 588-1000
> > http://www.citizen.org/litigation
> >
>

#17498

From: "do_not_open_attachments" <smsysupd@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:38 pm
Subject: The Always Popular Ideas for Making MLS Better

do_not_open_...

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#17497

From: "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] Re: Coaching candidate speaks.....

jjamar3@...

Your daughter has a keen eye for entertaining soccer! That is the reason I never watch MLS soccer on tv (except DC United of course), but I do watch college soccer. It may be less technically and strategically sophisticated than MLS but the intensity and enthusiasm levels more than compensate. Plus it is fun to watch these young men play and try to figure out which ones are likely to end up in the pro game (hopefully not MLS, where talent is buried under and never allowed to blossom).

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do_not_open_attachments
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:59 AM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dcunited] Re: Coaching candidate speaks.....

Funny that Akron's coach is one of the candidates, watching the NCAA my daughter commentted on how much fun the college game is to watch ... more so than the average MLS game.

--- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Levy" <plevy@...> wrote:
>
> Noted in Goff's blog this morning:
>
> Akron's Caleb Porter, a candidate for D.C. United's coaching job, in the Cleveland Plain Dealer: "We play an attack style of soccer. We want to dominate the game. We press on offense, press on defense. We don't want to just hang on for what I call empty wins."
>
> Paul Alan Levy
> Public Citizen Litigation Group
> 1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
> Washington, D.C. 20009
> (202) 588-1000
> http://www.citizen.org/litigation
>

#17496

From: "do_not_open_attachments" <smsysupd@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: Coaching candidate speaks.....

do_not_open_...

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Funny that Akron's coach is one of the candidates, watching the NCAA my daughter
commentted on how much fun the college game is to watch ... more so than the
average MLS game.

--- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Levy" <plevy@...> wrote:
>
> Noted in Goff's blog this morning:
>
> Akron's Caleb Porter, a candidate for D.C. United's coaching job, in the
Cleveland Plain Dealer: "We play an attack style of soccer. We want to dominate
the game. We press on offense, press on defense. We don't want to just hang on
for what I call empty wins."
>
> Paul Alan Levy
> Public Citizen Litigation Group
> 1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
> Washington, D.C. 20009
> (202) 588-1000
> http://www.citizen.org/litigation
>

#17495

From: "Paul Levy" <plevy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:30 pm
Subject: Coaching candidate speaks.....

paulalanlevyesq

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Noted in Goff's blog this morning:

Akron's Caleb Porter, a candidate for D.C. United's coaching job, in the
Cleveland Plain Dealer: "We play an attack style of soccer. We want to dominate
the game. We press on offense, press on defense. We don't want to just hang on
for what I call empty wins."

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

#17494

From: "do_not_open_attachments" <smsysupd@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:21 pm
Subject: Charlie Davies expects to make full recovery

do_not_open_...

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Davies expects to make full recovery

by Paul Kennedy, Soccer America
[USA] In his first interview since being seriously injured in a car accident that killed another passenger, U.S. national team forward Charlie Davies said he expected to make a full recovery. Asked by Jeremy Schaap on ESPN's "SportsCenter," "By the World Cup?", Davies responded, "By the World Cup." - Read the whole story...

#17493

From: d e <deckbreth@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:20 am
Subject: Ben Olsen: Career in Pictures

deckbreth

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Great retrospective pics of his career:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcunited/sets/72157622864949070/detail/

#17492

From: "Paul Levy" <plevy@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Re: [dcunited] Philly selects

paulalanlevyesq

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Jacobson has promise, though Soehn never brought it out.  Good luck to him in
Philly!

Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
http://www.citizen.org/litigation

>>> deckbreth@... 11/25/2009 3:33 PM >>>
MF Andrew Jacobson (D.C. United) age 24
F Alejandro Moreno (Columbus) 30
D Shavar Thomas (Chivas USA) 28
GK Brad Knighton (New England) 24
F Nick Zimmerman (New York) 22
F Sebastien Le Toux (Seattle) 25
MF Shea Salinas (San Jose) 23
MF Stefani Miglioranzi (Los Angeles) 32
D Dave Myrie (Chicago) 21
D Jordan Harvey (Colorado) 25

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#17491

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:39 pm
Subject: Olsen on retiring

mikerumberg

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2009/11/olsen_and_dcu.html#more

and the feature article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/24/AR2009112403753.html

Make a difference in your community.

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#17490

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] Re: Protected List

mikerumberg

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Philadelphia Selects.....

In the MLS expansion draft, Union has chosen:

MF Andrew Jacobson (D.C. United) age 24
F Alejandro Moreno (Columbus) 30
D Shavar Thomas (Chivas USA) 28
GK Brad Knighton (New England) 24
F Nick Zimmerman (New York) 22
F Sebastien Le Toux (Seattle) 25
MF Shea Salinas (San Jose) 23
MF Stefani Miglioranzi (Los Angeles) 32
D Dave Myrie (Chicago) 21
D Jordan Harvey (Colorado) 25

Five clubs escaped without losing anyone: Real Salt Lake, Dallas, Toronto, Houston and Kansas City.

Make a difference in your community.

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From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of james_k_polk11
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:06 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dcunited] Re: Protected List

Not sure how the contracts work in MLS but just because you protect someone does not mean you have to keep them (I think they are like NFL contracts, not guaranteed). Also, protecting players who you expect will be leaving means that the you really do not want the other players and are hoping that someone else will take them. Or are signaling to other teams that they are available for trade. For all we know, United may be aware that Khumalo is not happy with DC or MLS and looking at alternatives to MLS. I think that the available players are not as strong as the lists which were presented to Seattle.

It might not be bad for Philly to pick up a very good and experienced MLS keeper like Onstad to groom a young keeper like Kocic.

#17489

From: deckbreth@...
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:33 pm
Subject: Philly selects

deckbreth

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#17488

From: deckbreth@...
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:46 pm
Subject: OT: Abe Pollin died

deckbreth

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i'm thinking that Abe Pollin's death might bump the Ben Olsen tribute at tonight's Wizards game.

#17487

From: "james_k_polk11" <lightning86@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Protected List

james_k_polk11

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Not sure how the contracts work in MLS but just because you protect someone does
not mean you have to keep them (I think they are like NFL contracts, not
guaranteed). Also, protecting players who you expect will be leaving means that
the you really do not want the other players and are hoping that someone else
will take them. Or are signaling to other teams that they are available for
trade. For all we know, United may be aware that Khumalo is not happy with DC or
MLS and looking at alternatives to MLS. I think that the available players are
not as strong as the lists which were presented to Seattle.


It might not be bad for Philly to pick up a very good and experienced MLS keeper
like Onstad to groom a young keeper like Kocic.

#17486

From: "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] Re: Protected List

jjamar3@...

Yes, they are required to protect 11 players. But if the reason they are protecting Moreno is for sentimental or loyalty ones, I think they are making a mistake. At his age and with his salary, who’s going to pick him up? Instead they should protect Khumalo. As for the others, Quaranta, Burch, Fred and James, I wouldn’t mind losing two of the four. I certainly hope Luciano is taken, although with his humongous salary I doubt Philly will be interested. It is however tempting to speculate about what United could get for those 750 000 dollars.

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of do_not_open_attachments
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:55 PM
To: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dcunited] Re: Protected List

I believe they are required to protect 11, so Moreno is protected because of what he has meant to this team even if he is not in your plans and with that logic you might protect Ben as well even though he is retiring.

--- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com, "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...> wrote:
>
> Jakovic, Namoff, Pontius, Simms, Szetela, Wallace. Those are the only ones I
> would have put on my list of protected players. All the others are not worth
> protecting and anybody who picks them is off his rocker. Moreno? Are you
> kidding me? Quaranta? Why? Burch? Whatever Kasper is smoking, he needs to
> stop! Fred? Really? James? Stop this madness! We had a horrendous defense
> all season long and out of 11 players we protect the 4 starting defenders!
> Namoff and Jokovic I can understand, but James and Burch? Give me a break!
>
> As for the unprotected players, Khumalo should have been protected. Maybe.
> And that's it. Everybody else goes under the busJ! This team needs a major
> overhaul. New blood, yes, but it has to be blood with talent. Not just red
> stuff. Is Dave Kasper on the unprotected listJ?
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
>
>
> From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of d e
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:29 PM
> To: DC United discussions United
> Cc: John M. Stafford
> Subject: [dcunited] Protected List
>
>
>
>
>
> Start complaining...
>
>
>
>
> D.C. United
>
>
> Burch, Marc, Fred, Jakovic, Dejan, James, Julius, Moreno, Jaime, Namoff,
> Bryan, Pontius, Chris, Quaranta, Santino, Simms, Clyde, Szetela, Danny,
> Wallace, Rodney
>
>
> All teams's lists can be viewed here:
>
> http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/11/mls-expansion-draft-prote
> cted-lists-unveiled.html#more
>

#17485

From: "do_not_open_attachments" <smsysupd@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Protected List

do_not_open_...

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I believe they are required to protect 11, so Moreno is protected because of
what he has meant to this team even if he is not in your plans and with that
logic you might protect Ben as well even though he is retiring.

--- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com, "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...> wrote:
>
> Jakovic, Namoff, Pontius, Simms, Szetela, Wallace. Those are the only ones I
> would have put on my list of protected players. All the others are not worth
> protecting and anybody who picks them is off his rocker. Moreno? Are you
> kidding me? Quaranta? Why? Burch? Whatever Kasper is smoking, he needs to
> stop! Fred? Really? James? Stop this madness! We had a horrendous defense
> all season long and out of 11 players we protect the 4 starting defenders!
> Namoff and Jokovic I can understand, but James and Burch? Give me a break!
>
> As for the unprotected players, Khumalo should have been protected. Maybe.
> And that's it. Everybody else goes under the busJ! This team needs a major
> overhaul. New blood, yes, but it has to be blood with talent. Not just red
> stuff. Is Dave Kasper on the unprotected listJ?
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
>
>
> From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of d e
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:29 PM
> To: DC United discussions United
> Cc: John M. Stafford
> Subject: [dcunited] Protected List
>
>
>
>
>
> Start complaining...
>
>
>
>
> D.C. United
>
>
> Burch, Marc, Fred, Jakovic, Dejan, James, Julius, Moreno, Jaime, Namoff,
> Bryan, Pontius, Chris, Quaranta, Santino, Simms, Clyde, Szetela, Danny,
> Wallace, Rodney
>
>
> All teams's lists can be viewed here:
>
> http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/11/mls-expansion-draft-prote
> cted-lists-unveiled.html#more
>

#17484

From: deckbreth@...
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:09 pm
Subject: Wizards honoring Olsen tonight

deckbreth

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at the end of the 3rd period tonight.

they're also offering a special $14 ticket deal to tonight's game for United fans

http://www.behindthebadge.com/2009/11/olsen-to-be-honored-at-wizards.php

#17483

From: "Jacques Amar" <jjamar3@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] Protected List

jjamar3@...

Jakovic, Namoff, Pontius, Simms, Szetela, Wallace. Those are the only ones I would have put on my list of protected players. All the others are not worth protecting and anybody who picks them is off his rocker. Moreno? Are you kidding me? Quaranta? Why? Burch? Whatever Kasper is smoking, he needs to stop! Fred? Really? James? Stop this madness! We had a horrendous defense all season long and out of 11 players we protect the 4 starting defenders! Namoff and Jokovic I can understand, but James and Burch? Give me a break!

As for the unprotected players, Khumalo should have been protected. Maybe. And that’s it. Everybody else goes under the busJ! This team needs a major overhaul. New blood, yes, but it has to be blood with talent. Not just red stuff. Is Dave Kasper on the unprotected listJ?

Jacques

From: DCUnited@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DCUnited@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of d e
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:29 PM
To: DC United discussions United
Cc: John M. Stafford
Subject: [dcunited] Protected List

Start complaining...

D.C. United

Burch, Marc, Fred, Jakovic, Dejan, James, Julius, Moreno, Jaime, Namoff, Bryan, Pontius, Chris, Quaranta, Santino, Simms, Clyde, Szetela, Danny, Wallace, Rodney

All teams’s lists can be viewed here:

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/11/mls-expansion-draft-protected-lists-unveiled.html#more

#17482

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] Protected List

mikerumberg

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I don’t get this list – I thought a team could only protect 11 players. So there are an additional 11 players on this one, and I don’t remember us having so many players going by first names…..

Make a difference in your community.

Watch your US mail for your 2010 Census Form.

Start complaining...

D.C. United

#17481

From: "do_not_open_attachments" <smsysupd@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Protected List

do_not_open_...

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Complain about what? Maybe swaping Khumalo for Fred because he may be the only player we may lose. Otherwise no one on the list will be selected. There is more value on the unprotected lists of the other teams. Onstad on the Houston list (he must be thinking of hanging it up) would be some one I would consider if I were Philly... Here is the unprotected list for D.C. United.

D.C. United
Emilio, Luciano
Gomez, Christian
Habarugira, David
Jacobson, Andrew
Janicki, Greg
John, Avery
Khumalo, Thabiso
McTavish, Devon
N'Silu, Ange
Olsen, Ben
Vaughn, Lawson
Wicks, Josh
Allen, Ely
Barklage, Brandon
DiRaimondo, John
Kocic, Milos
Shipalane, Tiyiselani

All Teams in MLS: http://www.socceramerica.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.san&s=35441&Nid=10796&p=483813

--- In DCUnited@yahoogroups.com, d e <deckbreth@...> wrote:
>
> Start complaining...
>
>
> D.C. United
> Burch, Marc, Fred, Jakovic, Dejan, James, Julius, Moreno, Jaime, Namoff,
> Bryan, Pontius, Chris, Quaranta, Santino, Simms, Clyde, Szetela, Danny,
> Wallace, Rodney
>
>
> All teams�s lists can be viewed here:
>
> http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/11/mls-expansion-draft-prote
> cted-lists-unveiled.html#more
>

#17480

From: "Rumberg, Michael $DCHR$" <michael.rumberg@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: RE: [dcunited] Re: Dema Kovalenko and the RSL GreatAdventure(D.C. Alumni)

mikerumberg

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Don’t let it hang – complete the argument. who was the allocation and what were the considerations? We will never know the considerations so we have no way to judge that.

So that leaves the allocation and how it turned out….

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