gubicza did play for the halos very briedfly.

Braden
480




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From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 3:51:56 PM
Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Steve and Rex get the ax


That's too bad. I liked those guys. I don't know how much credibility Jose Mota
has as a former player to be a true analyst. I suppose Gubicza fits the
bill...but it would be nice to have a former Angel player, which Rex was.

--- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, halosfan2002 <no_reply@.. .> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the memories Phys and Hud!
>
> http://latimesblogs .latimes. com/sports_ blog/2009/ 11/rex-hudler-
steve-physioc- no-longer- angels-broadcast ers.html
>







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I'm going to miss "Hud and Phys"... Rex Huddler obviously loves baseball and
loved broadcasting, and Steve Physioc is very professional.

I think they picked the wrong team to get rid of.

--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> I'm really not sure why this went down but did they really need six
guys??    I'll definitely miss Hudler's enthusiasm.  Gubicza and Mota are
pretty much a stick in the mud.  Rory and Terry are alright.  Well anyway,
they're probably cutting costs. 
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 2:51:56 PM
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Steve and Rex get the ax
>
>  
> That's too bad. I liked those guys. I don't know how much credibility Jose
Mota has as a former player to be a true analyst. I suppose Gubicza fits the
bill...but it would be nice to have a former Angel player, which Rex was.
>
> --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, halosfan2002 <no_reply@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the memories Phys and Hud!
> >
> > http://latimesblogs .latimes. com/sports_ blog/2009/ 11/rex-hudler-
steve-physioc- no-longer- angels-broadcast ers.html
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I'm really not sure why this went down but did they really need six guys??   
I'll definitely miss Hudler's enthusiasm.  Gubicza and Mota are pretty much a
stick in the mud.  Rory and Terry are alright.  Well anyway, they're probably
cutting costs. 




________________________________
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 2:51:56 PM
Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Steve and Rex get the ax

 
That's too bad. I liked those guys. I don't know how much credibility Jose Mota
has as a former player to be a true analyst. I suppose Gubicza fits the
bill...but it would be nice to have a former Angel player, which Rex was.

--- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, halosfan2002 <no_reply@... .> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the memories Phys and Hud!
>
> http://latimesblogs .latimes. com/sports_ blog/2009/ 11/rex-hudler-
steve-physioc- no-longer- angels-broadcast ers.html
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's too bad. I liked those guys. I don't know how much credibility Jose Mota
has as a former player to be a true analyst. I suppose Gubicza fits the
bill...but it would be nice to have a former Angel player, which Rex was.

--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, halosfan2002 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the memories Phys and Hud!
>
>
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/11/rex-hudler-steve-physioc-no-\
longer-angels-broadcasters.html
>

I thought you'd like this!


Original Message:
From: "Philmore Productions" <feedback@...>
To: eric@...
Subject: Frumpy Middle-Aged Mom Discusses Her Trip to Angels' Stadium
Date:
Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:58:22 -0600

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Thanks for the memories Phys and Hud!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/11/rex-hudler-steve-physioc-no-\
longer-angels-broadcasters.html

Well, I'm not sure what this really adds to the rotation if you have to give up
Weaver, Saunders or Santana to get him. Obviously he's a bulldog and one of the
best there is...a perrenial Cy Young candidate, so he would be a welcome
addition....but you have to be sure you can get his contract extended before you
give up too much for him. Giving up a young arm to rent him for a year makes
zero sense. Also...how long to you extend that contract? He'll be 33 on May 14,
so you're looking at the same age issues as Lackey.

I suppose trading Weaver Saunders or Santana to get him does make sense over the
next 3-5 years if you can get the extension done...as that's one less starter
you have to worry about hitting free agency. Santana is due to become eligible
for FA after the 2011 season, and Weaver & Saunders will get there after the
2012 season. If you trade Santana for Halladay with an extension for Halladay,
your rotation 1-4 is locked in through 2012.



--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> The Angels have resumed their pursuit of pitcher Roy Halladay, the Toronto
Blue Jays ace who would be an extremely attractive alternative to free-agent
right-hander John Lackey, with whom the team continues to negotiate.
>
> The Dodgers also have inquired with the Blue Jays about Halladay, the
32-year-old right-hander who is entering the final year of a three-year,
$40-million contract. But one source familiar with their talks, who was not
authorized to speak publicly, called the possibility of the Dodgers landing
Halladay "a long shot."
>
> The Angels went hard after Halladay before the July 31 trade deadline last
season, but talks broke down when the Angels refused to include shortstop Erick
Aybar in their offer. Then-Toronto General Manager J.P. Ricciardi was believed
to have asked for a pitcher, either Jered Weaver or Joe Saunders, Aybar and
outfield prospect Peter Bourjos.
>
> A trade for Halladay this winter is expected to cost the Angels a young
starter -- Weaver, Saunders or Ervin Santana -- but new Blue Jays General
Manager Alex Anthopolous appears willing to make a deal that does not include
Aybar, who hit .312 with five home runs and 58 runs batted in and played Gold
Glove-caliber defense this season.
>
> Unlike Ricciardi, Anthopolous reportedly is willing to allow teams a window to
sign Halladay to a contract extension, which makes the pitcher, who will be paid
$15.75 million in 2010, an even more attractive trade target.
>
> Though Lackey, 31, has been a solid top-of-the-rotation starter for the
Angels, posting a 42-22 record over the last three seasons, he is not as durable
or as dominant as Halladay, who has a 148-76 record and 3.43 earned-run average
in 11 big league seasons.
>
> Lackey, who sat out the first six weeks of the 2008 and 2009 seasons because
of arm injuries, is believed to be seeking a contract comparable to the
five-year, $82.5-million deal A.J. Burnett signed with the New York Yankees last
winter. Some team executives believe Halladay, who is a year older than Lackey,
could be signed to a similar deal.
>
> Angels General Manager Tony Reagins could not be reached for comment. Dodgers
General Manager Ned Colletti declined to comment specifically on Halladay, but
made it clear that the mounting speculation the Dodgers might send right-hander
Chad Billingsley to Toronto as part of a package for Halladay is just that,
speculation.
>
> "We would like to improve our pitching, especially the starting pitching,"
Colletti said. "I don't believe we can subtract from it in order to improve it."
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The Angels have resumed their pursuit of pitcher Roy Halladay, the Toronto Blue
Jays ace who would be an extremely attractive alternative to free-agent
right-hander John Lackey, with whom the team continues to negotiate.

The Dodgers also have inquired with the Blue Jays about Halladay, the
32-year-old right-hander who is entering the final year of a three-year,
$40-million contract. But one source familiar with their talks, who was not
authorized to speak publicly, called the possibility of the Dodgers landing
Halladay "a long shot."

The Angels went hard after Halladay before the July 31 trade deadline last
season, but talks broke down when the Angels refused to include shortstop Erick
Aybar in their offer. Then-Toronto General Manager J.P. Ricciardi was believed
to have asked for a pitcher, either Jered Weaver or Joe Saunders, Aybar and
outfield prospect Peter Bourjos.

A trade for Halladay this winter is expected to cost the Angels a young starter
-- Weaver, Saunders or Ervin Santana -- but new Blue Jays General Manager Alex
Anthopolous appears willing to make a deal that does not include Aybar, who hit
.312 with five home runs and 58 runs batted in and played Gold Glove-caliber
defense this season.

Unlike Ricciardi, Anthopolous reportedly is willing to allow teams a window to
sign Halladay to a contract extension, which makes the pitcher, who will be paid
$15.75 million in 2010, an even more attractive trade target.

Though Lackey, 31, has been a solid top-of-the-rotation starter for the Angels,
posting a 42-22 record over the last three seasons, he is not as durable or as
dominant as Halladay, who has a 148-76 record and 3.43 earned-run average in 11
big league seasons.

Lackey, who sat out the first six weeks of the 2008 and 2009 seasons because of
arm injuries, is believed to be seeking a contract comparable to the five-year,
$82.5-million deal A.J. Burnett signed with the New York Yankees last winter.
Some team executives believe Halladay, who is a year older than Lackey, could be
signed to a similar deal.

Angels General Manager Tony Reagins could not be reached for comment. Dodgers
General Manager Ned Colletti declined to comment specifically on Halladay, but
made it clear that the mounting speculation the Dodgers might send right-hander
Chad Billingsley to Toronto as part of a package for Halladay is just that,
speculation.

"We would like to improve our pitching, especially the starting pitching,"
Colletti said. "I don't believe we can subtract from it in order to improve it."




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

By the way....don't think Brian Cashman doesn't have visions of a
Sabathia-Halladay-Lackey-Burnett-Pettite rotation for 2010. I would if I were
him - and that team can make it happen. They could give up Joba Chaimberlan,
Phil Hughes and any number of prospects for Halladay.

--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, aforstner78 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Well, any Halladay deal will hinge entirely on what happens with Figgins
because I just don't see Toronto pulling the trigger without Brandon Wood in the
deal....even if their price has dropped. Maybe they take one of the
catchers...but if other teams are involved they probably hold out for Wood.
>
> I still think the Angels would do better to let Figgy walk and give Wood the
chance at a Longoria/Morales type breakout year next year.
>
> Giving up too much for Halladay at this point wouldn't make any sense unless
Halladay agreed to an extension anyway. Why give up the farm now when you can
just go get him as a free agent next year?
>
> Another interesting offseason for the Angels...and I thought they had tough
choices to make last year!!
>
>
>
> --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> >
> > Sources: Angels still in hunt to re-sign Lackey
> > by Ken Rosenthal
> > Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since
Aug. 2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX.
> >
> > CHICAGO - Don't rule the Angels out of the John Lackey sweepstakes just
yet.The Angels remain interested in re-signing their free-agent right-hander,
according to major-league sources.
> > Plan B, if Lackey signs with another club, could be a renewed effort to
trade for Blue Jays right-hander Roy Halladay.
> > Either way, securing a top-of-the-rotation starter appears to be a priority
for the Angels, who recognize that Lackey is drawing early interest from the
Yankees, the team that beat them in the American League Championship Series.
> > The loss of Lackey and inability to replace him would leave the Angels with
a rotation headed by right-handers Jered Weaver and Ervin Santana and
left-handers Joe Saunders and Scott Kazmir.
> > All are quality starters. None is an ace.
> > Lackey, the top starter on the free-agent market, is expected to seek a deal
in excess of the five-year, $82.5 million free-agent contract the Yankees
awarded right-hander A.J. Burnett last winter.
> > Halladay is under contract for one more season at $15.75 million. He
possesses a no-trade clause, but indicated in July that he would be willing to
waive it for a contender.
> > Trade talks at the general managers' meetings have been mostly preliminary,
and the extent of any recent contact between the Angels and Blue Jays is not
known.
> > The Jays, however, are expected to trade Halladay, and the Angels made a
strong attempt to land him before the July 31 non-waiver deadline.
> > The talks fizzled, sources said then, when the Jays countered by asking for
Saunders, third baseman/shortstop Brandon Wood, shortstop Erick Aybar and a
high-ceiling prospect.
> > The Jays' price under new general manager Alex Anthopolous is certain to be
lower than it was under J.P. Ricciardi, who asked high on Halladay in July
knowing that the pitcher could have made a major impact on two pennant races.
> > Anthopolous is looking long-term, seeking to make the Jays a 95-win team. He
might be more willing to accept younger prospects who are not as close to the
majors, and the Angels can help fill his needs at shortstop and third base.
> > The Angels probably would not trade Saunders. They might not part with
Aybar, their everyday shortstop. But Wood would be expendable, particularly if
the Angels re-signed free-agent third baseman Chone Figgins. The team also is
deep in catching and pitching prospects.
> > The Jays have a highly regarded catching prospect, J.P. Arencibia, but
recently talked about acquiring catcher Chris Snyder from the Diamondbacks for
first baseman Lyle Overbay. Either of the Angels' major-league catchers, Jeff
Mathis or Mike Napoli, could be a fit.
> > For now, such talk is speculative. But if the Angels lose Lackey, Halladay
would be an ideal alternative â€" even an upgrade.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Well, any Halladay deal will hinge entirely on what happens with Figgins because
I just don't see Toronto pulling the trigger without Brandon Wood in the
deal....even if their price has dropped. Maybe they take one of the
catchers...but if other teams are involved they probably hold out for Wood.

I still think the Angels would do better to let Figgy walk and give Wood the
chance at a Longoria/Morales type breakout year next year.

Giving up too much for Halladay at this point wouldn't make any sense unless
Halladay agreed to an extension anyway. Why give up the farm now when you can
just go get him as a free agent next year?

Another interesting offseason for the Angels...and I thought they had tough
choices to make last year!!



--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> Sources: Angels still in hunt to re-sign Lackey
> by Ken Rosenthal
> Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since Aug.
2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX.
>
> CHICAGO - Don't rule the Angels out of the John Lackey sweepstakes just
yet.The Angels remain interested in re-signing their free-agent right-hander,
according to major-league sources.
> Plan B, if Lackey signs with another club, could be a renewed effort to trade
for Blue Jays right-hander Roy Halladay.
> Either way, securing a top-of-the-rotation starter appears to be a priority
for the Angels, who recognize that Lackey is drawing early interest from the
Yankees, the team that beat them in the American League Championship Series.
> The loss of Lackey and inability to replace him would leave the Angels with a
rotation headed by right-handers Jered Weaver and Ervin Santana and left-handers
Joe Saunders and Scott Kazmir.
> All are quality starters. None is an ace.
> Lackey, the top starter on the free-agent market, is expected to seek a deal
in excess of the five-year, $82.5 million free-agent contract the Yankees
awarded right-hander A.J. Burnett last winter.
> Halladay is under contract for one more season at $15.75 million. He possesses
a no-trade clause, but indicated in July that he would be willing to waive it
for a contender.
> Trade talks at the general managers' meetings have been mostly preliminary,
and the extent of any recent contact between the Angels and Blue Jays is not
known.
> The Jays, however, are expected to trade Halladay, and the Angels made a
strong attempt to land him before the July 31 non-waiver deadline.
> The talks fizzled, sources said then, when the Jays countered by asking for
Saunders, third baseman/shortstop Brandon Wood, shortstop Erick Aybar and a
high-ceiling prospect.
> The Jays' price under new general manager Alex Anthopolous is certain to be
lower than it was under J.P. Ricciardi, who asked high on Halladay in July
knowing that the pitcher could have made a major impact on two pennant races.
> Anthopolous is looking long-term, seeking to make the Jays a 95-win team. He
might be more willing to accept younger prospects who are not as close to the
majors, and the Angels can help fill his needs at shortstop and third base.
> The Angels probably would not trade Saunders. They might not part with Aybar,
their everyday shortstop. But Wood would be expendable, particularly if the
Angels re-signed free-agent third baseman Chone Figgins. The team also is deep
in catching and pitching prospects.
> The Jays have a highly regarded catching prospect, J.P. Arencibia, but
recently talked about acquiring catcher Chris Snyder from the Diamondbacks for
first baseman Lyle Overbay. Either of the Angels' major-league catchers, Jeff
Mathis or Mike Napoli, could be a fit.
> For now, such talk is speculative. But if the Angels lose Lackey, Halladay
would be an ideal alternative â€" even an upgrade.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Sources: Angels still in hunt to re-sign Lackey
by Ken Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since Aug.
2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX.

CHICAGO - Don't rule the Angels out of the John Lackey sweepstakes just yet.The
Angels remain interested in re-signing their free-agent right-hander, according
to major-league sources.
Plan B, if Lackey signs with another club, could be a renewed effort to trade
for Blue Jays right-hander Roy Halladay.
Either way, securing a top-of-the-rotation starter appears to be a priority for
the Angels, who recognize that Lackey is drawing early interest from the
Yankees, the team that beat them in the American League Championship Series.
The loss of Lackey and inability to replace him would leave the Angels with a
rotation headed by right-handers Jered Weaver and Ervin Santana and left-handers
Joe Saunders and Scott Kazmir.
All are quality starters. None is an ace.
Lackey, the top starter on the free-agent market, is expected to seek a deal in
excess of the five-year, $82.5 million free-agent contract the Yankees awarded
right-hander A.J. Burnett last winter.
Halladay is under contract for one more season at $15.75 million. He possesses a
no-trade clause, but indicated in July that he would be willing to waive it for
a contender.
Trade talks at the general managers' meetings have been mostly preliminary, and
the extent of any recent contact between the Angels and Blue Jays is not known.
The Jays, however, are expected to trade Halladay, and the Angels made a strong
attempt to land him before the July 31 non-waiver deadline.
The talks fizzled, sources said then, when the Jays countered by asking for
Saunders, third baseman/shortstop Brandon Wood, shortstop Erick Aybar and a
high-ceiling prospect.
The Jays' price under new general manager Alex Anthopolous is certain to be
lower than it was under J.P. Ricciardi, who asked high on Halladay in July
knowing that the pitcher could have made a major impact on two pennant races.
Anthopolous is looking long-term, seeking to make the Jays a 95-win team. He
might be more willing to accept younger prospects who are not as close to the
majors, and the Angels can help fill his needs at shortstop and third base.
The Angels probably would not trade Saunders. They might not part with Aybar,
their everyday shortstop. But Wood would be expendable, particularly if the
Angels re-signed free-agent third baseman Chone Figgins. The team also is deep
in catching and pitching prospects.
The Jays have a highly regarded catching prospect, J.P. Arencibia, but recently
talked about acquiring catcher Chris Snyder from the Diamondbacks for first
baseman Lyle Overbay. Either of the Angels' major-league catchers, Jeff Mathis
or Mike Napoli, could be a fit.
For now, such talk is speculative. But if the Angels lose Lackey, Halladay would
be an ideal alternative — even an upgrade.




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If he went to arbitration, he would get the max raise of $3.665m plus
20%........$4.4m.  Just thought it made sense.  shields will make over $5m.


Message sent from my mobile device.

-----Original Message-----
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:16:12
To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Angels Nation] Oliver set to return, files for free agency

$4.5M/yr. may be a little high for a middle-releiver....especially because - as
you said - he's a Type A free agent that would cost a potential buyer draft
picks. That, along with his age, may keep his price reasonably low.

He was working under a 1-yr./$2M contract for 2009. He may sign for 2-yrs./$7M
with a $4M option for 2012 that would kick in with a certain amount of innings
pitched...sorta like Abreu's deal. The option would include a $500K buyout,
making $7.5M guaranteed with the deal having the potential to reach $11M.

I just think getting him locked up down in the 'pen for the next couple of years
is a necessary insurance policy at this point. Shields' contract expires after
the 2010 season, and Fuentes is only signed through 2011. The team will be
looking to guys like Jepsen, Bulger, Arredondo and the rest of the young guys
down there to develop and be ready to take roles over these next couple of
years. Having DO's veteran leadership and stability around them every day can
only enhance their chances of doing so.

Shields will be a hot commodity on the free agent market if he gets there next
year (and is healthy, of course). A lot of teams would love to have him as their
closer. The Angels may want to think about talking extension with him over the
winter THIS year.



--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> He's a type A which means a signing team gives up a first round pick to get
him.  Who does that for a 39 year old?  No one unless he plays for more than one
year.  Thus his positioning about this year and beyond.  2 years and $9m.
>
> Message sent from my mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:41:59
> To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Oliver set to return, files for free agency
>
> Well...this ends the question of wether DO will retire. The Angels should lock
him up with a 1-2 year + option deal. He's been a real steadying force out in
the 'pen...and will be a very important piece over the next couple of years as
the Angels' 'pen is turned over to younger guys. They will need his veteran
leadership out there during the transition.
>
>
> Veteran reliever ends retirement speculation
> By Lyle Spencer / MLB.com
>
> From Mike McCann, representing Darren Oliver, comes word that the Angels'
southpaw will pitch in 2010 "and perhaps beyond."
> There had been speculation -- generated in part by Oliver's reluctance to
commit to another season until he'd talked it over with his family -- that he
might walk away after another superb season in 2009 as the glue in the Angels'
revolving-door bullpen.
>
> McCann makes it clear that Oliver, who filed for free agency on Thursday, will
pitch somewhere next season.
>
> "He is not retiring as had been speculated," McCann wrote in an email. "Darren
Oliver will play in 2010 and perhaps beyond."
>
> Oliver, who turned 39 on Oct. 6, was 5-1 with a 2.71 ERA in 2009, leading the
Angels' bullpen with 73 innings in 63 appearances. He made one start, an
emergency outing with the rotation depleted, and spent the rest of the year
filling a variety of roles from the middle innings into the eighth.
>
> Oliver is 15-3 in his three seasons with the Angels with a 3.09 ERA in 178
appearances. This compares favorably to his 4.75 career ERA and 106-83 record,
forged largely as a starter.
>
> Oliver, who makes his offseason home in South Lake, Texas, outside Dallas, is
a Type A free agent, meaning he'll bring back two compensation Draft picks if he
is offered arbitration -- seemingly automatic -- and signed by another club.
>
> Oliver accepted the Angels' offer of arbitration last season and settled
fairly quickly on Jan. 16 on a one-year deal worth $3.665 million -- a
significant bump from the $2 million he earned in 2008 after drawing $1.5
million in 2007, his first year with the club.
>
> John Lackey and Robb Quinlan also filed for free agency on Thursday, the first
day it became an option for the 2010 class. Chone Figgins, Vladimir Guerrero and
Kelvim Escobar also are eligible for free agency.
>
> In an interview on Thursday night with SIRIUS XM's MLB Home Plate channel,
Angels GM Tony Reagins expressed optimism that Lackey will remain in an Angels
uniform. The 31-year-old right-hander is widely considered the best available
starter in the free-agent market.
>
> "Well, I think there's a likeliness that John will return," Reagins said. "We
have genuine interest in bringing him back. We'll see how the market plays out
for John.
>
> "We know there is going to be interest in him and he's earned the right to
explore that. So, at the end of the day, we have to make the best decision for
our ballclub and John is going to make the best decision for himself and
hopefully the two sides meet."
>
> The Angels retained Bobby Abreu by signing him to a two-year deal with an
option for 2012 that will kick in with reachable plate appearances.
>
> The deal is worth $18 million for two years, $27 million for three years and
$19 million if Abreu's 2012 option doesn't kick in and the club gives him a $1
million buyout.
>
> Lyle Spencer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the
approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

$4.5M/yr. may be a little high for a middle-releiver....especially because - as
you said - he's a Type A free agent that would cost a potential buyer draft
picks. That, along with his age, may keep his price reasonably low.

He was working under a 1-yr./$2M contract for 2009. He may sign for 2-yrs./$7M
with a $4M option for 2012 that would kick in with a certain amount of innings
pitched...sorta like Abreu's deal. The option would include a $500K buyout,
making $7.5M guaranteed with the deal having the potential to reach $11M.

I just think getting him locked up down in the 'pen for the next couple of years
is a necessary insurance policy at this point. Shields' contract expires after
the 2010 season, and Fuentes is only signed through 2011. The team will be
looking to guys like Jepsen, Bulger, Arredondo and the rest of the young guys
down there to develop and be ready to take roles over these next couple of
years. Having DO's veteran leadership and stability around them every day can
only enhance their chances of doing so.

Shields will be a hot commodity on the free agent market if he gets there next
year (and is healthy, of course). A lot of teams would love to have him as their
closer. The Angels may want to think about talking extension with him over the
winter THIS year.



--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> He's a type A which means a signing team gives up a first round pick to get
him.  Who does that for a 39 year old?  No one unless he plays for more than one
year.  Thus his positioning about this year and beyond.  2 years and $9m.
>
> Message sent from my mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:41:59
> To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Oliver set to return, files for free agency
>
> Well...this ends the question of wether DO will retire. The Angels should lock
him up with a 1-2 year + option deal. He's been a real steadying force out in
the 'pen...and will be a very important piece over the next couple of years as
the Angels' 'pen is turned over to younger guys. They will need his veteran
leadership out there during the transition.
>
>
> Veteran reliever ends retirement speculation
> By Lyle Spencer / MLB.com
>
> From Mike McCann, representing Darren Oliver, comes word that the Angels'
southpaw will pitch in 2010 "and perhaps beyond."
> There had been speculation -- generated in part by Oliver's reluctance to
commit to another season until he'd talked it over with his family -- that he
might walk away after another superb season in 2009 as the glue in the Angels'
revolving-door bullpen.
>
> McCann makes it clear that Oliver, who filed for free agency on Thursday, will
pitch somewhere next season.
>
> "He is not retiring as had been speculated," McCann wrote in an email. "Darren
Oliver will play in 2010 and perhaps beyond."
>
> Oliver, who turned 39 on Oct. 6, was 5-1 with a 2.71 ERA in 2009, leading the
Angels' bullpen with 73 innings in 63 appearances. He made one start, an
emergency outing with the rotation depleted, and spent the rest of the year
filling a variety of roles from the middle innings into the eighth.
>
> Oliver is 15-3 in his three seasons with the Angels with a 3.09 ERA in 178
appearances. This compares favorably to his 4.75 career ERA and 106-83 record,
forged largely as a starter.
>
> Oliver, who makes his offseason home in South Lake, Texas, outside Dallas, is
a Type A free agent, meaning he'll bring back two compensation Draft picks if he
is offered arbitration -- seemingly automatic -- and signed by another club.
>
> Oliver accepted the Angels' offer of arbitration last season and settled
fairly quickly on Jan. 16 on a one-year deal worth $3.665 million -- a
significant bump from the $2 million he earned in 2008 after drawing $1.5
million in 2007, his first year with the club.
>
> John Lackey and Robb Quinlan also filed for free agency on Thursday, the first
day it became an option for the 2010 class. Chone Figgins, Vladimir Guerrero and
Kelvim Escobar also are eligible for free agency.
>
> In an interview on Thursday night with SIRIUS XM's MLB Home Plate channel,
Angels GM Tony Reagins expressed optimism that Lackey will remain in an Angels
uniform. The 31-year-old right-hander is widely considered the best available
starter in the free-agent market.
>
> "Well, I think there's a likeliness that John will return," Reagins said. "We
have genuine interest in bringing him back. We'll see how the market plays out
for John.
>
> "We know there is going to be interest in him and he's earned the right to
explore that. So, at the end of the day, we have to make the best decision for
our ballclub and John is going to make the best decision for himself and
hopefully the two sides meet."
>
> The Angels retained Bobby Abreu by signing him to a two-year deal with an
option for 2012 that will kick in with reachable plate appearances.
>
> The deal is worth $18 million for two years, $27 million for three years and
$19 million if Abreu's 2012 option doesn't kick in and the club gives him a $1
million buyout.
>
> Lyle Spencer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the
approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

He's a type A which means a signing team gives up a first round pick to get him.
Who does that for a 39 year old?  No one unless he plays for more than one year.
Thus his positioning about this year and beyond.  2 years and $9m.

Message sent from my mobile device.

-----Original Message-----
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:41:59
To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Angels Nation] Oliver set to return, files for free agency

Well...this ends the question of wether DO will retire. The Angels should lock
him up with a 1-2 year + option deal. He's been a real steadying force out in
the 'pen...and will be a very important piece over the next couple of years as
the Angels' 'pen is turned over to younger guys. They will need his veteran
leadership out there during the transition.


Veteran reliever ends retirement speculation
By Lyle Spencer / MLB.com

From Mike McCann, representing Darren Oliver, comes word that the Angels'
southpaw will pitch in 2010 "and perhaps beyond."
There had been speculation -- generated in part by Oliver's reluctance to commit
to another season until he'd talked it over with his family -- that he might
walk away after another superb season in 2009 as the glue in the Angels'
revolving-door bullpen.

McCann makes it clear that Oliver, who filed for free agency on Thursday, will
pitch somewhere next season.

"He is not retiring as had been speculated," McCann wrote in an email. "Darren
Oliver will play in 2010 and perhaps beyond."

Oliver, who turned 39 on Oct. 6, was 5-1 with a 2.71 ERA in 2009, leading the
Angels' bullpen with 73 innings in 63 appearances. He made one start, an
emergency outing with the rotation depleted, and spent the rest of the year
filling a variety of roles from the middle innings into the eighth.

Oliver is 15-3 in his three seasons with the Angels with a 3.09 ERA in 178
appearances. This compares favorably to his 4.75 career ERA and 106-83 record,
forged largely as a starter.

Oliver, who makes his offseason home in South Lake, Texas, outside Dallas, is a
Type A free agent, meaning he'll bring back two compensation Draft picks if he
is offered arbitration -- seemingly automatic -- and signed by another club.

Oliver accepted the Angels' offer of arbitration last season and settled fairly
quickly on Jan. 16 on a one-year deal worth $3.665 million -- a significant bump
from the $2 million he earned in 2008 after drawing $1.5 million in 2007, his
first year with the club.

John Lackey and Robb Quinlan also filed for free agency on Thursday, the first
day it became an option for the 2010 class. Chone Figgins, Vladimir Guerrero and
Kelvim Escobar also are eligible for free agency.

In an interview on Thursday night with SIRIUS XM's MLB Home Plate channel,
Angels GM Tony Reagins expressed optimism that Lackey will remain in an Angels
uniform. The 31-year-old right-hander is widely considered the best available
starter in the free-agent market.

"Well, I think there's a likeliness that John will return," Reagins said. "We
have genuine interest in bringing him back. We'll see how the market plays out
for John.

"We know there is going to be interest in him and he's earned the right to
explore that. So, at the end of the day, we have to make the best decision for
our ballclub and John is going to make the best decision for himself and
hopefully the two sides meet."

The Angels retained Bobby Abreu by signing him to a two-year deal with an option
for 2012 that will kick in with reachable plate appearances.

The deal is worth $18 million for two years, $27 million for three years and $19
million if Abreu's 2012 option doesn't kick in and the club gives him a $1
million buyout.

Lyle Spencer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the
approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.






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Well...this ends the question of wether DO will retire. The Angels should lock
him up with a 1-2 year + option deal. He's been a real steadying force out in
the 'pen...and will be a very important piece over the next couple of years as
the Angels' 'pen is turned over to younger guys. They will need his veteran
leadership out there during the transition.


Veteran reliever ends retirement speculation
By Lyle Spencer / MLB.com

From Mike McCann, representing Darren Oliver, comes word that the Angels'
southpaw will pitch in 2010 "and perhaps beyond."
There had been speculation -- generated in part by Oliver's reluctance to commit
to another season until he'd talked it over with his family -- that he might
walk away after another superb season in 2009 as the glue in the Angels'
revolving-door bullpen.

McCann makes it clear that Oliver, who filed for free agency on Thursday, will
pitch somewhere next season.

"He is not retiring as had been speculated," McCann wrote in an email. "Darren
Oliver will play in 2010 and perhaps beyond."

Oliver, who turned 39 on Oct. 6, was 5-1 with a 2.71 ERA in 2009, leading the
Angels' bullpen with 73 innings in 63 appearances. He made one start, an
emergency outing with the rotation depleted, and spent the rest of the year
filling a variety of roles from the middle innings into the eighth.

Oliver is 15-3 in his three seasons with the Angels with a 3.09 ERA in 178
appearances. This compares favorably to his 4.75 career ERA and 106-83 record,
forged largely as a starter.

Oliver, who makes his offseason home in South Lake, Texas, outside Dallas, is a
Type A free agent, meaning he'll bring back two compensation Draft picks if he
is offered arbitration -- seemingly automatic -- and signed by another club.

Oliver accepted the Angels' offer of arbitration last season and settled fairly
quickly on Jan. 16 on a one-year deal worth $3.665 million -- a significant bump
from the $2 million he earned in 2008 after drawing $1.5 million in 2007, his
first year with the club.

John Lackey and Robb Quinlan also filed for free agency on Thursday, the first
day it became an option for the 2010 class. Chone Figgins, Vladimir Guerrero and
Kelvim Escobar also are eligible for free agency.

In an interview on Thursday night with SIRIUS XM's MLB Home Plate channel,
Angels GM Tony Reagins expressed optimism that Lackey will remain in an Angels
uniform. The 31-year-old right-hander is widely considered the best available
starter in the free-agent market.

"Well, I think there's a likeliness that John will return," Reagins said. "We
have genuine interest in bringing him back. We'll see how the market plays out
for John.

"We know there is going to be interest in him and he's earned the right to
explore that. So, at the end of the day, we have to make the best decision for
our ballclub and John is going to make the best decision for himself and
hopefully the two sides meet."

The Angels retained Bobby Abreu by signing him to a two-year deal with an option
for 2012 that will kick in with reachable plate appearances.

The deal is worth $18 million for two years, $27 million for three years and $19
million if Abreu's 2012 option doesn't kick in and the club gives him a $1
million buyout.

Lyle Spencer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the
approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Someone will offer him a minor-league deal and invite him to Spring Training.
It's just a matter of whether Garret accepts that. Seems to me he's the type of
guy who would feel that he shouldn't have to fight for a job after 17 seasons
and just retire, but you never know.

--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> I would be absolutely shocked if Garret Anderson wasn't throwing out the first
pitch of next season's first game for the Angels next year after he retires. 
He's almost 99.9% not going to get a job next year.  Anyone see that
differently?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 7:28:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Angels Nation] There goes Lackey?
>
>  
> Yeah...you'll see Figgins, Escobar and Vlad all file in the coming days too.
Filing for free agency is standard procedure when a contract expires and/or
options aren't exercised.
>
> Looking at this story, there's a big chunk of the 2002 Angels' squad on the
list:
>
> Jarrod Washburn
> Troy Percival
> John Lackey
> Adam Kennedy
> Garret Anderson
> Brendan Donnelly
> Darrin Erstad
> Troy Glaus
>
> That's 8 guys from the Angels' 2002 championship team all filing for free
agency today. I don't think the Angels should pursue any of them (other than
Lackey) or anything like that, but it's just something that caught my eye when
looking at the list.
>
> --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > totally expected move. Quinlan won't be back.
> >
> >
> > Message sent from my mobile device.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "donwhite581" <dwbmw@>
> > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:13:11
> > To: <AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Subject: [Angels Nation] There goes Lackey?
> >
> > http://sportsillust rated.cnn. com/2009/ baseball/ mlb/11/05/ free.agency.
filings.ap/ index.html? xid=si_mlb
> >
> > Lackey, Oliver and Quinlan have filed.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I would be absolutely shocked if Garret Anderson wasn't throwing out the first
pitch of next season's first game for the Angels next year after he retires. 
He's almost 99.9% not going to get a job next year.  Anyone see that
differently?




________________________________
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 7:28:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Angels Nation] There goes Lackey?

 
Yeah...you'll see Figgins, Escobar and Vlad all file in the coming days too.
Filing for free agency is standard procedure when a contract expires and/or
options aren't exercised.

Looking at this story, there's a big chunk of the 2002 Angels' squad on the
list:

Jarrod Washburn
Troy Percival
John Lackey
Adam Kennedy
Garret Anderson
Brendan Donnelly
Darrin Erstad
Troy Glaus

That's 8 guys from the Angels' 2002 championship team all filing for free agency
today. I don't think the Angels should pursue any of them (other than Lackey) or
anything like that, but it's just something that caught my eye when looking at
the list.

--- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
>
> totally expected move. Quinlan won't be back.
>
>
> Message sent from my mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "donwhite581" <dwbmw@...>
> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:13:11
> To: <AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com>
> Subject: [Angels Nation] There goes Lackey?
>
> http://sportsillust rated.cnn. com/2009/ baseball/ mlb/11/05/ free.agency.
filings.ap/ index.html? xid=si_mlb
>
> Lackey, Oliver and Quinlan have filed.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah...you'll see Figgins, Escobar and Vlad all file in the coming days too.
Filing for free agency is standard procedure when a contract expires and/or
options aren't exercised.

Looking at this story, there's a big chunk of the 2002 Angels' squad on the
list:

Jarrod Washburn
Troy Percival
John Lackey
Adam Kennedy
Garret Anderson
Brendan Donnelly
Darrin Erstad
Troy Glaus

That's 8 guys from the Angels' 2002 championship team all filing for free agency
today. I don't think the Angels should pursue any of them (other than Lackey) or
anything like that, but it's just something that caught my eye when looking at
the list.



--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> totally expected move.  Quinlan won't be back.
>
>
> Message sent from my mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "donwhite581" <dwbmw@...>
> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:13:11
> To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Angels Nation] There goes Lackey?
>
>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/05/free.agency.filings.ap/\
index.html?xid=si_mlb
>
> Lackey, Oliver and Quinlan have filed.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think Abreu signing this fast had a ripple effect.  He was a LOT of team's
plan B!


Message sent from my mobile device.

-----Original Message-----
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:16:54
To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu

It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out. It's impossible to
predict. We can all voice what we think should happen, which is fun, but as we
all know it's the opinions of Reagins & Moreno that count. I really couldn't
tell you what I think will happen.

One story that's flying a bit under the radar today is a reported trade between
Kansas City and the White Sox. The trade was reported earlier today by the New
York Daily News and the Chicago Sun-Times, but both teams are neither confirming
or denying it at this point. As reported, the trade would go down like this:

White Sox get:
Mark Teahen (IF/OF)

Royals get:
Chris Getz (2B)
Josh Fields (3B)

The significance of this trade for the Angels - if it goes down - is that it
effectively opens up the starting 2B job for the White Sox. The White Sox have
not been shy with their love of Chone Figgins in recent years, even making trade
offers for him at times. Would the White Sox pursue Figgins to play 2B?

Just another twist in the ever-evolving hot stove league. The real fun begins
November 20. That's when the exclusive negotiating period ends and all free
agents hit the open market.

Should be fun, as always.


--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "donwhite581" <dwbmw@...> wrote:
>
> I'm fine with the outfield situation as is.  I'm also fine with letting Figgy
go after another dismal postseason performance.  But we need to get after
Lackey.  Yes, we have other options with pitching, but he and Tori are the only
guys in the clubhouse with the killer instinct.  They want it bad.  We need more
of that.
>
> Don
>
>
> --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, aforstner78 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Shane Loux was designated for assignment, but accepted the assignment and
finished the season with the Bees...and on the 40-man roster. He'll be in camp
fighting for a spot next spring.
> >
> > --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly my thoughts on Aybar!  Abreu really helped him with discipline.
> > >
> > > Wasn't Loux released or am I confusing that with something else?  I think
escobar is worth taking a chance on, worst case is depth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message sent from my mobile device.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:27:13
> > > To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> > >
> > > I think Aybar may even be better than Figgins in the leadoff spot given
the chance. He's faster than Figgins, which gives him the ability to leg out
weak grounders or bunt for base hits. He'll also be tough to double up, and can
cause just as much distraction on the base paths. He's shown an ability to hit
for average, so if he can develop some plate discipline and get that OBP number
up...he'll be a great leadoff man.
> > >
> > > In the rotation, the Angels should be able to put together a pretty good
competition for the 5th spot if Lackey walks. Dustin Moseley should be back, and
of course you have Matt Palmer, Shane Loux, Trevor Bell and Sean O'Sullivan in
that mix. If Escobar can get his arm in shape to try to fight for a spot too,
even better.
> > >
> > > As for the outfield however, even with the re-signing of Abreu, that still
just leaves you with Hunter, Rivera, Abreu, Willits and Evans guaranteed to be
here in 2010. That's a bit thin by my estimation. You still have the Vlad & GMJ
situations that have to play out, but it sounds like GMJ's gone for sure, any
you have to make a decision on Vlad. He doesn't have much value for the Angels
if he can't play the field. That's something they're going to have to look at.
The other option is to just say goodbye to Vlad all together and go after Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay. Whatever happens however, this team needs to focus on
building some organizational depth in the OF...that much is obvious.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing
need.  I'm still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the
deal length.  If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with
age? Speed.  That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably
won't get it done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead
off.  He matured at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he
struggles, you could always move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal
but hey, Jeter leads off too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than
Burnett and similar to Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and
I can really see the Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him
in So Cal. (by the way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)  
I suspect they'll make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.  
I'm glad we have Abreu taken care of. 
> > > >  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >________________________________
> > > > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
> > > > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract
for 2010. Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only
have 1 of Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for
Abreu - simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah,
Lackey leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot,
and it would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and
become the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver,
2004), so those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've
maintained all year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade
value was not going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I
only see Figgy going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now.
It's Brandon Wood time.
> > > >
> > > > --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010
and 2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59
PM ET
> > > > > MLB.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a
club option for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no
financial terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General
Manager Tony Reagins.
> > > > > "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our
organization, " said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished
in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> > > > > Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start
of Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> > > > > "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed
my first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> > > > > The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive
season, matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak
in MLB. With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11
consecutive seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> > > > > In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games
played for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League
history can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken).
Adding his name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major
League history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI,
1,000 walks and 300 stolen bases.
> > > > > A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels'
Division Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he
batted .556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009
marked his first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
> > > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out. It's impossible to
predict. We can all voice what we think should happen, which is fun, but as we
all know it's the opinions of Reagins & Moreno that count. I really couldn't
tell you what I think will happen.

One story that's flying a bit under the radar today is a reported trade between
Kansas City and the White Sox. The trade was reported earlier today by the New
York Daily News and the Chicago Sun-Times, but both teams are neither confirming
or denying it at this point. As reported, the trade would go down like this:

White Sox get:
Mark Teahen (IF/OF)

Royals get:
Chris Getz (2B)
Josh Fields (3B)

The significance of this trade for the Angels - if it goes down - is that it
effectively opens up the starting 2B job for the White Sox. The White Sox have
not been shy with their love of Chone Figgins in recent years, even making trade
offers for him at times. Would the White Sox pursue Figgins to play 2B?

Just another twist in the ever-evolving hot stove league. The real fun begins
November 20. That's when the exclusive negotiating period ends and all free
agents hit the open market.

Should be fun, as always.


--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "donwhite581" <dwbmw@...> wrote:
>
> I'm fine with the outfield situation as is.  I'm also fine with letting Figgy
go after another dismal postseason performance.  But we need to get after
Lackey.  Yes, we have other options with pitching, but he and Tori are the only
guys in the clubhouse with the killer instinct.  They want it bad.  We need more
of that.
>
> Don
>
>
> --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, aforstner78 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Shane Loux was designated for assignment, but accepted the assignment and
finished the season with the Bees...and on the 40-man roster. He'll be in camp
fighting for a spot next spring.
> >
> > --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly my thoughts on Aybar!  Abreu really helped him with discipline.
> > >
> > > Wasn't Loux released or am I confusing that with something else?  I think
escobar is worth taking a chance on, worst case is depth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message sent from my mobile device.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:27:13
> > > To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> > >
> > > I think Aybar may even be better than Figgins in the leadoff spot given
the chance. He's faster than Figgins, which gives him the ability to leg out
weak grounders or bunt for base hits. He'll also be tough to double up, and can
cause just as much distraction on the base paths. He's shown an ability to hit
for average, so if he can develop some plate discipline and get that OBP number
up...he'll be a great leadoff man.
> > >
> > > In the rotation, the Angels should be able to put together a pretty good
competition for the 5th spot if Lackey walks. Dustin Moseley should be back, and
of course you have Matt Palmer, Shane Loux, Trevor Bell and Sean O'Sullivan in
that mix. If Escobar can get his arm in shape to try to fight for a spot too,
even better.
> > >
> > > As for the outfield however, even with the re-signing of Abreu, that still
just leaves you with Hunter, Rivera, Abreu, Willits and Evans guaranteed to be
here in 2010. That's a bit thin by my estimation. You still have the Vlad & GMJ
situations that have to play out, but it sounds like GMJ's gone for sure, any
you have to make a decision on Vlad. He doesn't have much value for the Angels
if he can't play the field. That's something they're going to have to look at.
The other option is to just say goodbye to Vlad all together and go after Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay. Whatever happens however, this team needs to focus on
building some organizational depth in the OF...that much is obvious.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing
need.  I'm still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the
deal length.  If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with
age? Speed.  That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably
won't get it done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead
off.  He matured at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he
struggles, you could always move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal
but hey, Jeter leads off too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than
Burnett and similar to Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and
I can really see the Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him
in So Cal. (by the way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)  
I suspect they'll make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.  
I'm glad we have Abreu taken care of. 
> > > >  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >________________________________
> > > > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
> > > > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract
for 2010. Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only
have 1 of Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for
Abreu - simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah,
Lackey leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot,
and it would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and
become the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver,
2004), so those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've
maintained all year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade
value was not going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I
only see Figgy going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now.
It's Brandon Wood time.
> > > >
> > > > --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010
and 2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59
PM ET
> > > > > MLB.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a
club option for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no
financial terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General
Manager Tony Reagins.
> > > > > "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our
organization, " said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished
in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> > > > > Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start
of Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> > > > > "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed
my first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> > > > > The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive
season, matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak
in MLB. With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11
consecutive seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> > > > > In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games
played for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League
history can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken).
Adding his name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major
League history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI,
1,000 walks and 300 stolen bases.
> > > > > A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels'
Division Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he
batted .556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009
marked his first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
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totally expected move.  Quinlan won't be back.


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-----Original Message-----
From: "donwhite581" <dwbmw@...>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:13:11
To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Angels Nation] There goes Lackey?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/05/free.agency.filings.ap/\
index.html?xid=si_mlb

Lackey, Oliver and Quinlan have filed.

Don




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/05/free.agency.filings.ap/\
index.html?xid=si_mlb

Lackey, Oliver and Quinlan have filed.

Don

I'm fine with the outfield situation as is.  I'm also fine with letting Figgy go
after another dismal postseason performance.  But we need to get after Lackey. 
Yes, we have other options with pitching, but he and Tori are the only guys in
the clubhouse with the killer instinct.  They want it bad.  We need more of
that.

Don


--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, aforstner78 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Shane Loux was designated for assignment, but accepted the assignment and
finished the season with the Bees...and on the 40-man roster. He'll be in camp
fighting for a spot next spring.
>
> --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly my thoughts on Aybar!  Abreu really helped him with discipline.
> >
> > Wasn't Loux released or am I confusing that with something else?  I think
escobar is worth taking a chance on, worst case is depth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Message sent from my mobile device.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:27:13
> > To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> >
> > I think Aybar may even be better than Figgins in the leadoff spot given the
chance. He's faster than Figgins, which gives him the ability to leg out weak
grounders or bunt for base hits. He'll also be tough to double up, and can cause
just as much distraction on the base paths. He's shown an ability to hit for
average, so if he can develop some plate discipline and get that OBP number
up...he'll be a great leadoff man.
> >
> > In the rotation, the Angels should be able to put together a pretty good
competition for the 5th spot if Lackey walks. Dustin Moseley should be back, and
of course you have Matt Palmer, Shane Loux, Trevor Bell and Sean O'Sullivan in
that mix. If Escobar can get his arm in shape to try to fight for a spot too,
even better.
> >
> > As for the outfield however, even with the re-signing of Abreu, that still
just leaves you with Hunter, Rivera, Abreu, Willits and Evans guaranteed to be
here in 2010. That's a bit thin by my estimation. You still have the Vlad & GMJ
situations that have to play out, but it sounds like GMJ's gone for sure, any
you have to make a decision on Vlad. He doesn't have much value for the Angels
if he can't play the field. That's something they're going to have to look at.
The other option is to just say goodbye to Vlad all together and go after Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay. Whatever happens however, this team needs to focus on
building some organizational depth in the OF...that much is obvious.
> >
> >
> > --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing need. 
I'm still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the deal
length.  If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with age?
Speed.  That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably won't
get it done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead off.  He
matured at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he struggles, you
could always move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal but hey, Jeter
leads off too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than Burnett and
similar to Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and I can really
see the Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him in So Cal.
(by the way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)   I suspect
they'll make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.   I'm glad
we have Abreu taken care of. 
> > >  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > > To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
> > > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> > >
> > >  
> > > This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract for
2010. Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only have
1 of Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for Abreu
- simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah, Lackey
leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot, and it
would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and become
the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver, 2004), so
those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've maintained all
year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade value was not
going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I only see Figgy
going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now. It's Brandon
Wood time.
> > >
> > > --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM
ET
> > > > MLB.com
> > > >
> > > > ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club
option for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no
financial terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General
Manager Tony Reagins.
> > > > "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our
organization, " said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished
in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> > > > Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of
Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> > > > "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed
my first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> > > > The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive
season, matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak
in MLB. With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11
consecutive seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> > > > In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games
played for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League
history can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken).
Adding his name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major
League history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI,
1,000 walks and 300 stolen bases.
> > > > A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels'
Division Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he
batted .556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009
marked his first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
> > > >
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Shane Loux was designated for assignment, but accepted the assignment and
finished the season with the Bees...and on the 40-man roster. He'll be in camp
fighting for a spot next spring.

--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> Exactly my thoughts on Aybar!  Abreu really helped him with discipline.
>
> Wasn't Loux released or am I confusing that with something else?  I think
escobar is worth taking a chance on, worst case is depth.
>
>
>
>
> Message sent from my mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:27:13
> To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
>
> I think Aybar may even be better than Figgins in the leadoff spot given the
chance. He's faster than Figgins, which gives him the ability to leg out weak
grounders or bunt for base hits. He'll also be tough to double up, and can cause
just as much distraction on the base paths. He's shown an ability to hit for
average, so if he can develop some plate discipline and get that OBP number
up...he'll be a great leadoff man.
>
> In the rotation, the Angels should be able to put together a pretty good
competition for the 5th spot if Lackey walks. Dustin Moseley should be back, and
of course you have Matt Palmer, Shane Loux, Trevor Bell and Sean O'Sullivan in
that mix. If Escobar can get his arm in shape to try to fight for a spot too,
even better.
>
> As for the outfield however, even with the re-signing of Abreu, that still
just leaves you with Hunter, Rivera, Abreu, Willits and Evans guaranteed to be
here in 2010. That's a bit thin by my estimation. You still have the Vlad & GMJ
situations that have to play out, but it sounds like GMJ's gone for sure, any
you have to make a decision on Vlad. He doesn't have much value for the Angels
if he can't play the field. That's something they're going to have to look at.
The other option is to just say goodbye to Vlad all together and go after Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay. Whatever happens however, this team needs to focus on
building some organizational depth in the OF...that much is obvious.
>
>
> --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> >
> > I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing need. 
I'm still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the deal
length.  If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with age?
Speed.  That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably won't
get it done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead off.  He
matured at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he struggles, you
could always move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal but hey, Jeter
leads off too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than Burnett and
similar to Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and I can really
see the Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him in So Cal.
(by the way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)   I suspect
they'll make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.   I'm glad
we have Abreu taken care of. 
> >  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
> > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
> >
> >  
> > This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract for
2010. Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only have
1 of Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for Abreu
- simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah, Lackey
leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot, and it
would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and become
the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver, 2004), so
those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've maintained all
year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade value was not
going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I only see Figgy
going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now. It's Brandon
Wood time.
> >
> > --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM
ET
> > > MLB.com
> > >
> > > ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club
option for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no
financial terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General
Manager Tony Reagins.
> > > "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our
organization, " said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished
in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> > > Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of
Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> > > "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed my
first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> > > The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive season,
matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak in MLB.
With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11 consecutive
seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> > > In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games
played for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League
history can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken).
Adding his name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major
League history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI,
1,000 walks and 300 stolen bases.
> > > A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels'
Division Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he
batted .556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009
marked his first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
> > >
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Exactly my thoughts on Aybar!  Abreu really helped him with discipline.

Wasn't Loux released or am I confusing that with something else?  I think
escobar is worth taking a chance on, worst case is depth.




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-----Original Message-----
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:27:13
To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu

I think Aybar may even be better than Figgins in the leadoff spot given the
chance. He's faster than Figgins, which gives him the ability to leg out weak
grounders or bunt for base hits. He'll also be tough to double up, and can cause
just as much distraction on the base paths. He's shown an ability to hit for
average, so if he can develop some plate discipline and get that OBP number
up...he'll be a great leadoff man.

In the rotation, the Angels should be able to put together a pretty good
competition for the 5th spot if Lackey walks. Dustin Moseley should be back, and
of course you have Matt Palmer, Shane Loux, Trevor Bell and Sean O'Sullivan in
that mix. If Escobar can get his arm in shape to try to fight for a spot too,
even better.

As for the outfield however, even with the re-signing of Abreu, that still just
leaves you with Hunter, Rivera, Abreu, Willits and Evans guaranteed to be here
in 2010. That's a bit thin by my estimation. You still have the Vlad & GMJ
situations that have to play out, but it sounds like GMJ's gone for sure, any
you have to make a decision on Vlad. He doesn't have much value for the Angels
if he can't play the field. That's something they're going to have to look at.
The other option is to just say goodbye to Vlad all together and go after Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay. Whatever happens however, this team needs to focus on
building some organizational depth in the OF...that much is obvious.


--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing need.  I'm
still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the deal length. 
If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with age? Speed. 
That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably won't get it
done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead off.  He matured
at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he struggles, you could always
move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal but hey, Jeter leads off
too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than Burnett and similar to
Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and I can really see the
Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him in So Cal. (by the
way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)   I suspect they'll
make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.   I'm glad we have
Abreu taken care of. 
>  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
>
>  
> This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract for
2010. Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only have
1 of Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for Abreu
- simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah, Lackey
leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot, and it
would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and become
the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver, 2004), so
those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've maintained all
year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade value was not
going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I only see Figgy
going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now. It's Brandon
Wood time.
>
> --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM ET
> > MLB.com
> >
> > ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club
option for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no
financial terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General
Manager Tony Reagins.
> > "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our
organization, " said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished
in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> > Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of
Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> > "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed my
first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> > The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive season,
matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak in MLB.
With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11 consecutive
seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> > In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games played
for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League history
can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken). Adding his
name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major League
history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI, 1,000
walks and 300 stolen bases.
> > A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels' Division
Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he batted
.556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009 marked his
first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I think Aybar may even be better than Figgins in the leadoff spot given the
chance. He's faster than Figgins, which gives him the ability to leg out weak
grounders or bunt for base hits. He'll also be tough to double up, and can cause
just as much distraction on the base paths. He's shown an ability to hit for
average, so if he can develop some plate discipline and get that OBP number
up...he'll be a great leadoff man.

In the rotation, the Angels should be able to put together a pretty good
competition for the 5th spot if Lackey walks. Dustin Moseley should be back, and
of course you have Matt Palmer, Shane Loux, Trevor Bell and Sean O'Sullivan in
that mix. If Escobar can get his arm in shape to try to fight for a spot too,
even better.

As for the outfield however, even with the re-signing of Abreu, that still just
leaves you with Hunter, Rivera, Abreu, Willits and Evans guaranteed to be here
in 2010. That's a bit thin by my estimation. You still have the Vlad & GMJ
situations that have to play out, but it sounds like GMJ's gone for sure, any
you have to make a decision on Vlad. He doesn't have much value for the Angels
if he can't play the field. That's something they're going to have to look at.
The other option is to just say goodbye to Vlad all together and go after Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay. Whatever happens however, this team needs to focus on
building some organizational depth in the OF...that much is obvious.


--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing need.  I'm
still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the deal length. 
If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with age? Speed. 
That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably won't get it
done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead off.  He matured
at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he struggles, you could always
move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal but hey, Jeter leads off
too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than Burnett and similar to
Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and I can really see the
Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him in So Cal. (by the
way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)   I suspect they'll
make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.   I'm glad we have
Abreu taken care of. 
>  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu
>
>  
> This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract for
2010. Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only have
1 of Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for Abreu
- simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah, Lackey
leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot, and it
would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and become
the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver, 2004), so
those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've maintained all
year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade value was not
going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I only see Figgy
going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now. It's Brandon
Wood time.
>
> --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM ET
> > MLB.com
> >
> > ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club
option for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no
financial terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General
Manager Tony Reagins.
> > "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our
organization, " said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished
in 2009 and we look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> > Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of
Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> > "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed my
first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> > The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive season,
matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak in MLB.
With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11 consecutive
seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> > In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games played
for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League history
can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken). Adding his
name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major League
history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI, 1,000
walks and 300 stolen bases.
> > A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels' Division
Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he batted
.556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009 marked his
first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I would have to agree, Aaron.  Always go after your most pressing need.  I'm
still sort of up in the air with Figgins but that depends on the deal length. 
If it's 5 years, I say no way.  What diminishes the most with age? Speed. 
That puts him at 37.  I say 3 years at most and that probably won't get it
done.  Therefore, give Wood his due at 3rd and let Aybar lead off.  He matured
at the plate this year and it really showed.  If he struggles, you could always
move Abreu to lead-off if you had to.  Not ideal but hey, Jeter leads off
too.  As far as Lackey, his numbers are better than Burnett and similar to
Sabathia.  That spells trouble for Arte's checkbook and I can really see the
Yankees picking him up, or even the Dodgers which keeps him in So Cal. (by the
way, check out  www.dodgerdivorce.com    just awful!)   I suspect they'll
make a run at Lackey but you know they have plan B and C.   I'm glad we have
Abreu taken care of. 
  Let's see how quickly we move on the others but unless those guys are
overwhelmed with an offer(or at least meets their expectations), the others go
to free agency to test the market.




________________________________
From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 1:26:12 PM
Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels sign Bobby Abreu

 
This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract for 2010.
Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only have 1 of
Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for Abreu -
simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah, Lackey
leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot, and it
would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and become
the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver, 2004), so
those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've maintained all
year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade value was not
going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I only see Figgy
going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now. It's Brandon
Wood time.

--- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
>
> The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
>
>
>
>
> Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM ET
> MLB.com
>
> ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club option
for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no financial
terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General Manager Tony
Reagins.
> "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our organization,
" said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished in 2009 and we
look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of
Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed my
first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive season,
matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak in MLB.
With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11 consecutive
seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games played
for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League history
can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken). Adding his
name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major League
history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI, 1,000
walks and 300 stolen bases.
> A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels' Division
Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he batted
.556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009 marked his
first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
>
>
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This is good. At least now we have a starting outfield under contract for 2010.
Jeff Biggs put the question out the other day that if you could only have 1 of
Figgy, Lackey or Abreu, which one would you choose? My vote went for Abreu -
simply because the outfield is the most pressing area of need. Yeah, Lackey
leaving would be a blow...but there are options for a 5th rotation spot, and it
would give an opportunity to a guy like Weaver or Saunders to step up and become
the ace. Those guys are both 1st round picks (Saunders, 2002 - Weaver, 2004), so
those are the guys who should be stepping up. As for Figgy, I've maintained all
year that we should have traded him at the deadline. His trade value was not
going to get any higher, and coming up on his 32nd birthday, I only see Figgy
going into decline over the course of any contract he signs now. It's Brandon
Wood time.




--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.
>
>
>
>
> Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM ET
> MLB.com
>
> ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club option
for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no financial
terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General Manager Tony
Reagins.
> "We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our organization,"
said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished in 2009 and we
look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
> Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of
Spring Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He
batted .293 (165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103
RBI and 30 stolen bases in 152 games.
> "I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed my
first season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an
outstanding team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the
opportunity of post-season competition once again."
> The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive season,
matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak in MLB.
With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11 consecutive
seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
> In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games played
for the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League history
can claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken). Adding his
name to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major League
history with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI, 1,000
walks and 300 stolen bases.
> A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels' Division
Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he batted
.556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009 marked his
first career appearance in the League Championship Series.
>
>
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>

The deal is worth $19MM guaranteed. Abreu will be paid $9MM in 2010 and
2011, plus a $1MM buyout for a $9MM option that could vest based on plate
appearances. Given how the market treated Abreu last year, it's not a surprise
that he jumped on this offer.




Angels agree to two-year deal with veteran Bobby Abreu11/05/2009 2:59 PM ET
MLB.com

ANAHEIM, CA - The Angels Thursday agreed to a two-year deal with a club option
for 2012 with veteran outfielder Bobby Abreu. Per club policy, no financial
terms will be announced. Today's announcement was made by General Manager Tony
Reagins.
"We are excited to have Bobby and the presence he brings to our organization,"
said Reagins. "He was an integral part of what we accomplished in 2009 and we
look forward to his contributions both on and off the field."
Abreu, 35, joined the Angels on a one-year deal just before the start of Spring
Training last season and enjoyed yet another productive campaign. He batted .293
(165/563) with 96 runs, 29 doubles, three triples, 15 home runs, 103 RBI and 30
stolen bases in 152 games.
"I am very happy to sign this contract," said Abreu. "I really enjoyed my first
season with the club. The Angels are a solid organization, with an outstanding
team and great fans. With the talent we have, I look forward to the opportunity
of post-season competition once again."
The Venezuelan native reached 100 RBI for the seventh consecutive season,
matching Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez for the longest active streak in MLB.
With 30 stolen bases, Abreu has totaled at least 20 SBs in 11 consecutive
seasons, the longest current streak in baseball.
In a year filled with milestone achievements, Abreu reached 150 games played for
the 12th straight season, a feat only five players in Major League history can
claim (Willie Mays, Billy Williams, Pete Rose and Cal Ripken). Adding his name
to another selective list, he became the sixth player in Major League history
with at least 250 home runs, 2,000 hits, 1,000 runs, 1,000 RBI, 1,000 walks and
300 stolen bases.
A two-time All-Star, Abreu played a significant role in the Angels' Division
Series sweep of the Boston Red Sox. In three division series games, he batted
.556 (5/13) with two doubles, four walks and four runs scored. 2009 marked his
first career appearance in the League Championship Series.





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In your projected Yankee lineup, only Tex and Arod scare me.  Everybody else
just gets a year older.  Matsui and Posada can barely hit now.  Jeter is almost
done, but will hang on to his career like grim death.  And if Figgy lands with
them, he will choke worse in NY than he did for us.  He may hit .010 in the
playoffs.

As far as the Angels go,  I would give Lackey $16m and let everyone else go
right now.  No Halladay deals, no outfielder deals, nothing.  I think a 3-4-5
with Hunter, Morales and Rivera is good enough.  I think with the limited free
agent market this year, we need to be very picky and not overpay for some
mediocre, over the hill player.  We certainly do not need any more outfielders!

Let's sign Lackey, get Shields back (make him the closer), and use the talent we
have every day.  Then maybe a big bat will be available in 2011's market.

Don

--- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <bornintheoc@...> wrote:
>
> I think we do a deal for Halladay only if an extension is done in advance.
>
> All your points make sense too.  The beauty of the hot stove!
>
>
> Message sent from my mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:15:59
> To: <AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels payroll commitments(from the OC Register)
>
> I think you're pretty much on the right track...with one big exception. I
really don't see any type of Roy Halladay deal going down, even if Lackey walks.
I think Toronto's asking price will still be way too high because they know that
they can still go into next season with him in the rotation and try to rob a
desparate team at the deadline again.
>
> The rumor mills at this year's deadline said that Toronto would not even look
at an Angel offer that didn't include Brandon Wood. The Angels certainly can't
make that offer now - even with Saunders or Santana on the table - because with
Figgins & Quinlan unsigned, they can't afford to lose Wood right now.
>
> I also just don't think it's necessary to send Toronto 3 or 4 players to rent
a guy for a year. It doesn't make any sense. Halladay is owed $15.75M for 2010 -
which the Angels surely would have to pick up, giving them less flexibility to
make other moves. After 2010, Halladay is a free agent anyway, so we'll be right
back in the same boat. It would make more sense to stay out of it for a year,
then go after him as a free agent after next season. Why pay now with
players...then pay again to resign him after next year IF you can come to an
agreement? Seems to me it doesn't make sense to pay twice for the same player.
>
> I really don't think losing Lackey will be that big a blow. Yes, he's a
bulldog...and yes you want to have him at the top of your rotation if at all
possible, but if they just can't get a deal done, well then it will be time for
someone else to step up and take control of this staff. Saunders and Weaver were
both 1st round draft picks. Weaver was the most steady starter we had this year.
His numbers were better than Lackey's overall. We used our 1st round picks on
these guys because we thought they had ace potential - well here's your
opportunty to become the ace. Who wants it?
>
> As for the 5th spot - at worst it will be a competition between Dustin
Moseley, Matt Palmer, Trevor Bell, Sean O'Sullivan and Shane Loux. Perhaps
Kelvim Escobar takes a minor-league deal and gets in that mix as well - or at
least into the bullpen mix. Obviously that all depends on his health. Whatever
the case...Moseley likely wins the job and has shown an ability to be a steady
#5 starter in the past.
>
> The prices for Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, Bobby Abreu, Chone Figgins, etc. will
all depend upon how many teams get involved. Surely teams like the Cubs, Mets
and White Sox will be looking to rebound from miserable seasons in 2009. How
much payroll flexibility do they have? What kind of offers will they make? What
are the Yankees looking to do? They have the contracts of Damon and Pettite
coming off the books. Does Pettite re-sign? The Yanks are likely looking for
more pitching - meaning they will probably make an offer to Lackey too, but I
think you're onto something with your theory that they'll pick up Figgins to
take over for Damon.
>
> I just think the Angels would be better served spending their money on that
"big bat". It's true that this is a pitching-centered organization...but the
pitching situation is fine. Whether Lackey comes back or not...the acquisition
of Kazmir has given them some flexibility and depth in that area. What's more
important I think is getting some protection for Kendry and Torii in the middle
of the lineup. This offense was far more productive this year, but they still
weren't able to put together late rallies against the Yankees. If you can get
Abreu back great....but with Vlad and GMJ likely gone...you've gotta do
something to get some depth in the OF.
>
> Right now you only have Rivera, Hunter, Willits and Terry Evans signed for
next season. GMJ has reached the agreement to be traded or released, so he's
gone. I really don't think the Angels want to head into Opening Day with just
Rivera, Hunter, Willits & Evans.
>
> It's more than likely that the road to the AL pennant goes through New York
next year, and it's likely you'll have to pitch to a lineup that looks something
like Figgins-Jeter-Teixeira-A-Rod-Posada-Matsui to beat them. Are the Angels
gonna be able to do that if they're going
Aybar-Abreu-Hunter-Morales-Rivera-Napoli? I would be more comfortable with Matt
Holliday or Jason Bay in the middle of that...but that's just me.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@> wrote:
> >
> > Arte said for 2009 he was comfortable staying at the 2008 level - we just
didn't spend it all.  We can't compare the payroll of the 2002 team since it
would need to be adjusted for inflation, especially in baseball terms.  That
might be $90m with today's contracts.
> >
> > My bet is that we have $30m to spend, prior to getting any benefit from
losing Matthews.  I suspect Lackey will command $16m - the Angels offered him
4, $60m and he turned it down.  Someone will give him Burnett money($16.5m). 
Abreu will want to see what else is out here but my bet is that he comes back
for less than $10m/yr.  How many teams want to give up a first round draft
choice and a sandwich pick for a 35 year old outfielder with poor range and
defense?   He's a good hitter than slots well into the DH role and serving
some time in the outfield.  I'm betting they get him for the $8m they offered,
or $9m tops.  I think Boras will bid Matt Holliday to more than $15m/year.  I
think he gets a contract like Torii Hunter's - 5, $90m($18m/yr).    Jason Bay
might get $16m too, since it sounds like Boston is willing to pay him $15m and
he isn't quite biting yet.
> >
> > My guess: 
> >
> > Angels sign Lackey and if they don't, they go hard after Roy Halladay,
including a Saunders or Santana in that deal.(dustin moseley is a pretty good
#5 candidate)  We need a number one pitcher despite what Scioscia says he's
comfortable with - blah blah blah.  He's a good politician.  It's clear you
need a STRONG number one pitcher and a very strong supporting cast to win in
October.  Arte wants to win the world series - he didn't offer $140m to
Sabathia because he wants to lose.  This team likes pitching more than
hitting(that means no Bay or Holliday)  -  $12m in 2010, $16m - $18m/yr beyond
> >
> > Angels sign Abreu and he plays right field and DH's. - $9m
> >
> > Angels use Mike Napoli in DH spot and let Mathis catch a lot more as he
should.
> >
> > Angels let Figgins go - I have a sneaking suspicion the Yankees sign him to
a big number to play left field next year, lead-off and move Jeter to 2nd spot
in the order.  They let Damon go and fill a true lead-off slot and get a guy
that can play anywhere on the field.
> >
> > Angels use Wood at 3rd base.  Izturis DH's and bats 9th(like Aybar this
year) when Napoli catches.
> >
> > Morales is our new cleanup hitter.
> >
> > There's also a scenario where they bring Vladdy back for a reduced role but
I really can't see why.
> >
> > Also, I'm probably crazy in my analysis but pitching drives this
organization and that will be first priority.  If Abreu and a pitcher cost $24m
- $27m combined, that tells you that unless Arte is really willing to spend, the
dream of a "big bat" is just that.......
> >
> > Or there's other trades that we as the casual arm-chair GM can't
foresee......
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> >
> >________________________________
> > From: aforstner78 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> > To: AngelsNation@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 10:44:07 AM
> > Subject: [Angels Nation] Re: Angels payroll commitments(from the OC
Register)
> >
> >  
> > The Angel payroll dropped $5.5M from 2008 to 2009 ($119.2M in 08, $113.7M in
09). The 2008 payroll was the highest in franchise history. The 2002 team won
the World Series with a payroll of $61.7M.
> >
> > There certainly doesn't seem to be a lot of payroll flexibility, but what's
unclear is whether Arte has given Reagins a spending cap. It's likely to take
close to $50M to sign Lackey ($15M), Figgins ($10M), Abreu ($10M) and Matt
Holliday ($15M). Something tells me that Arte's not looking to ballon the
payroll up to $140.2M ($113.7M - $23.5M + $50M = $140.2M).
> >
> > Seems to me someone's gotta be shown the door. If the Angels can somehow
work out a buyout of GMJ's contract however, that gives them another $12M or so
theoretically.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
> >
> > Source: Cot's Baseball Contracts: http://mlbcontracts .blogspot. com/2005/
01/los-angeles- angels-of- anaheim.html
> >
> > --- In AngelsNation@ yahoogroups. com, OC Mike <bornintheoc@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's a table showing the payroll commitments for all players on the 2009
roster.(hopefully it comes thru OK)  There are assumptions as to what a
player will make in arbitration, of which we have several eligible.  All
told, the estimate is that we have $23.5m available to spend in free agency to
stay at the 2009 payroll level.  That would basically buy Lackey and
Abreu.  I tend to believe the payroll will be about $10m - $12m higher next
year but that's my random guess. 
> > >  
> > > Player
> > > 2010 status
> > > 2009 cost
> > > 2010 cost
> > > Abreu, Bobby Free Agent 6.0 0.0
> > > Arredondo, Jose Pre-arbitration 0.4 0.4
> > > Aybar, Erick Arbitration 0.5 2.0
> > > Bulger, Jason Pre-arbitration 0.4 0.4
> > > Escobar, Kelvim Free Agent 9.5 0.0
> > > Figgins, Chone Free Agent 5.8 0.0
> > > Fuentes, Brian Signed 8.5 9.0
> > > Guerrero, Vladimir Free Agent 15.0 0.0
> > > Hunter, Torii Signed 17.5 18.0
> > > Izturis, Maicer Arbitration 1.6 3.5
> > > Jepsen, Kevin Pre-arbitration 0.4 0.4
> > > Kazmir, Scott Signed 0.0 8.0
> > > Kendrick, Howie Arbitration 0.5 1.2
> > > Lackey, John Free Agent 10.0 0.0
> > > Loux, Shane Pre-arbitration 0.4 0.4
> > > Mathis, Jeff Arbitration 0.4 0.8
> > > Matthews, Gary Signed 10.0 11.0
> > > Morales, Kendry Signed 0.6 1.2
> > > Moseley, Dustin Pre-arbitration 0.4 0.4
> > > Napoli, Mike Arbitration 2.0 4.0
> > > Oliver, Darren Free Agent 3.7 0.0
> > > Quinlan, Robb Free Agent 1.1 0.0
> > > Rivera, Juan Signed 3.3 4.3
> > > Santana, Ervin Signed 3.8 6.0
> > > Saunders, Joe Arbitration 0.5 2.5
> > > Shields, Scot Signed 5.0 5.4
> > > Speier, Justin Signed 4.8 5.3
> > > Weaver, Jered Arbitration 0.5 3.5
> > > Willits, Reggie Arbitration 0.4 0.8
> > > Wood, Brandon Pre-arbitration 0.4 0.4
> > > Total N/A 112.3 88.8
> > > ..
> > > So, roughly speaking, the difference from 2009’s Opening Day
payroll: $23.5 million.
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